Only 5 Factory Sportomatic cars ever build ? Options

[SirAndy]

Does that sound plausible ???

Urban Knutsson, owner of a '71 914/6 Sporto, writes a letter to the factory asking about the number of 914/6 Sportomatic cars produced ...

The reply from Porsche:

Dear Mr. Knutsson,

Thank you very much for your letter of October 10.
Referring to the latter and to our phone call of
October 9, we herewith inform you that of the type
914/6 Sportomatic we built a total of five cars for
experimental purposes.

Your car, which is a really rare one, was exported
to Sweden in February 1971.

In the hope of thus having been of some assistance
to you, we remain,

Sincerly,

Dr. Ing. h.c.F.Porsche
Aktiengesellschaft
Public Relations - Sports
i.V.

Jürgen Barth

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

Porsche Panorama had this to say:

Porsche Panorama, October 1995, Page 84
"Gacek's 1993 certificate of authenticity from the factory indicates that there were 21 Sportomatics built in the 1971 model year" "An inquiry was directed to Porsche North America to confirm the correctness of these numbers and to shed some light on the 914/6 Sportomatic quantities. PCNA's answer was that there were, in fact, 21 914/6 Sportomatic cars built in the 1971 model year plus another four cars built in the 1970 model year for an overall total of 25 cars." "The majority of 914/6 Sportomatics went to European customers and it is not known how many are currently in the United States."

5? 21? 25?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy

[Gustl]

5? 21? 25?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy

in 1982 the Porsche Factory did an intensive research at there own files and service documents and found out that they built 16 914-6 Sportomatic cars

3 cars for factory internal use (test cars)
2 cars for the Porsche family (1 in Germany, 1 in Austria)
3 cars sold via Glöckler, Frankfurt
1 car sold via Hahn, Stuttgart
2 cars sold via Sonauto, France
1 car sold via AMAG, Swizerland
2 cars sold via Raffay, Hamburg
2 cars sold via Schulz, Lintorf

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Gustl

[ArtechnikA]

5? 21? 25?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy

Those are not necessary conflictory...

5 for experimental purposes.
21 (or so) for 'other' (commercial...) purposes.

So the Swedish guy got one of the 5 'experimentals' ...
At least that's how I interpret that data.

We know there were some (all 3, I believe...) 914.6's entered in the ('70? '71?) 1000 (10.000? for some reason I recall that) 'Marathon of Endurance' at the Nurburgring (at least one of those u's should be an ü - I forget which...) and one won.

I've seen one in the US - a signal orange car, at Monterey in 1979 - I had no idea how rare it was then.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

and there is one 71 signal orange sporto here (ex Jeff Gascek) and about ten sporto transmission cases upstairs new!!!!!!!!!!

[Gustl]

We know there were some (all 3, I believe...) 914.6's entered in the ('70? '71?) 1000 (10.000? for some reason I recall that) 'Marathon of Endurance' at the Nurburgring (at least one of those u's should be an ü - I forget which...) and one won.

the 3 "1970 Marathon de la Route" cars were 914-6 GTs - not Sportomatics

but Porsche won that race in 1967 with a 911 R Sportomatic

(IMG:http://k43.pbase.com/u37/911r/large/24215925.File_02.jpg)

[SirAndy]

but Porsche won that race in 1967 with a 911 R Sportomatic

(IMG:http://k43.pbase.com/u37/911r/large/24215925.File_02.jpg)

The Picture doesn't show up for me ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Gustl]

... and about ten sporto transmission cases upstairs new!!!!!!!!!!

original 914-6 Sportomatic trannys (914/05) or other Sportomatic trannys (905, 905/20, 905/21, 925/00, 925/01, 925/02, 925/04, ...) ???

[Gustl]

The Picture doesn't show up for me ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

no problem at my PC (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

let's try this way ...

[Gustl]

there was even a factory poster

[SirAndy]

I just checked our database, and we have 7 Sporto cars listed. They're all '71 cars(!), except the prototype car ...

914120
9141430120
9141430156
9141430163
9141430173
9141430184
9141430396


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

found some more, let's ad some info to the VINs ...


914120 - Factory Prototype, currently in Germany
9140432664 - Owned by a Member here, "BillSporto"
9141430120 - Owned by Frank Pohl, Germany
9141430156 - Owned by Urban Knutsson, Sweden
9141430163 - Owned by a Member here, "dr914@autoatlanta.com"
9141430173 - Delivered to Sonauto in France
9141430184 - Owned by a Member here, "914/6 Sporto"
9141430396 - Owned by a Member here, "Gustl"


then there are:


9141430035 - Currently in Germany
9141430081 - Crashed and destroyed on the first trip by the first owner, in Germany.
9141430093 - In Italy as of 2001


That's 11 so far ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

[ArtechnikA]

the 3 "1970 Marathon de la Route" cars were 914-6 GTs - not Sportomatics
but Porsche won that race in 1967 with a 911 R Sportomatic

Been too long since I read that section of EwE...

Thanks for setting me straight.
Didn't the 6-GT's win _something_? Index of performance ? something like that?

Nevermind - consider it rhetorical - I have the references - I don't mean to turn you into my private researcher :-)

[IronHillRestorations]

and there is one 71 signal orange sporto here (ex Jeff Gascek) and about ten sporto transmission cases upstairs new!!!!!!!!!!

I've got a NOS Sporto engine wiring harness to go with that George!

[McMark]

Perry, does pin 9 on that Sporto engine harness have a wire on it?

[McMark]

Bump for Perry. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif)

[IronHillRestorations]

Sorry it's taken me so long guys. Pin 9 is used for a green wire with a red stripe. All the pins are used in that connector.

[auerbach]

this may be a dumb question, but will a sportomatic tranny fit a 73 Ga case? Or must it be a 6

[ArtechnikA]

this may be a dumb question, but will a sportomatic tranny fit a 73 Ga case? Or must it be a 6

it's -technically- possible to do a /4 Sporto, and if you look in the Clymer/Lash book you'll see some photographs from the -one- (possibly two...) factory prototype cars.

The big problem is the oil pump for the torque convertor. In a /6 this is a separate auxilliary oil pump driven off the left camshaft. There's no room for another piggyback oil pump in a /4 in the standard location without getting in the way of the fan. (Yes, there's that factory car. I don't know how they did it. The photographs of the oil pump in question are made with the fan shroud conveniently gone...)

But cooling on a T-IV is a bit marginal, and the Sporto torque convertor uses engine oil, so you have the double-whammy of more heat from efficiency losses in the torque convertor and more heat from the engine working harder to get that back. So IMO you're definitely looking at some kind of additional oil cooler.

-anything- can be done with sufficient quantities of time, effort, and money, but this project has yet to rise to the 'Let's Do This' threshold for anyone, AFAIK. It'd be really hard, and for what?

[Gustl]

The big problem is the oil pump for the torque convertor. In a /6 this is a separate auxilliary oil pump driven off the left camshaft. There's no room for another piggyback oil pump in a /4 in the standard location without getting in the way of the fan. (Yes, there's that factory car. I don't know how they did it. The photographs of the oil pump in question are made with the fan shroud conveniently gone...)

But cooling on a T-IV is a bit marginal, and the Sporto torque convertor uses engine oil, so you have the double-whammy of more heat from efficiency losses in the torque convertor and more heat from the engine working harder to get that back. So IMO you're definitely looking at some kind of additional oil cooler.

from my knowledge only the factory 914-6 Sporto uses the same oil for engine and torque converter

the factory 914-4 Sporto (no matter how many were built ... if ever?) used a seperate cooling circuit with ATF (automatic transmission fluid)

that's what the factory repair manual says

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Gustl