Rear Swaybar ---what should i expect?, stock swaybar being installed |
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Rear Swaybar ---what should i expect?, stock swaybar being installed |
budman5201 |
Sep 22 2009, 06:11 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 1-April 07 From: tempe, az Member No.: 7,635 |
Hey guys just wanted some info. I have the front swaybar installed and i am installing the rear this weekend....What will my difference in handling be compared to running a front only swaybar? ( i am very used to swaying the back end out around corners and controlling it with my 252 hp subie.)
Just wondering the in the pants difference? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
SLITS |
Sep 22 2009, 06:25 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
A load of crap in the pants?
According to the experts, the rear sway will make you King of the Asian Drifters Society except you will go around in circles. You will also lift the inside rear, not allowing power to be put down, but the engine will sound great at 8K. This is all hearsay you understand ... |
rjames |
Sep 22 2009, 06:59 PM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 3,948 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE This is all hearsay you understand ... Exactly. We need some real proof. Attempt the necessary maneuvers and report back. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
SirAndy |
Sep 22 2009, 07:02 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Just wondering the in the pants difference? Same as installing heavier rear springs, except without the teeth rattle. If your rear end was already all over the place, you'll be doing 360s now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
aircooledtechguy |
Sep 22 2009, 07:26 PM
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The Aircooledtech Guy Group: Members Posts: 1,966 Joined: 8-November 08 From: Anacortes, WA Member No.: 9,730 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I installed a stock rear sway on mine and I like the change. I installed the front bar about two weeks earlier (stock 16mm IIRC) and noticed virtually no change in roll rate or handling; pretty dissapointed. Once I added the rear bar it handled noticeably better IMHO. I plan on upgrading to a 21mm in the front in the future, but have other priorities now.
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budman5201 |
Sep 23 2009, 01:14 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 1-April 07 From: tempe, az Member No.: 7,635 |
Okay I'll finish up putting the new clutch in (kinda toasted the old one--same clutch that was in my last N/A engine. I reused it, it looked half new! ) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) THis time it gets a stage 2 Puck clutch from Kennedy again.
Then I'll post back when i get it on the road again in the next few days. Its a stock rear swaybar. It never lost its rear end around turns even when i hit em fast....I could only make it a really cool controlled rear end break loose when i take a right or left turn in 2nd or 3rd and the boost starts to hit about 11 lbs or more.....then woohoo!! I am really getting the hang of drifting, lets hope the cops dont catch onto the one onramp that i do it on often!! |
budman5201 |
Sep 23 2009, 01:42 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 1-April 07 From: tempe, az Member No.: 7,635 |
my new clutch.
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SirAndy |
Sep 23 2009, 11:02 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
my new clutch. How much torque are you going to put through that clutch? I'm only asking because i had the same one and it couldn't handle 200+ torque. It burned up quick. And their driveability sucks (for street driving) as you get a lot of "chatter" when taking off, say goodbye to smooth clutch action ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
r_towle |
Sep 23 2009, 12:10 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,585 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
A load of crap in the pants? According to the experts, the rear sway will make you King of the Asian Drifters Society except you will go around in circles. You will also lift the inside rear, not allowing power to be put down, but the engine will sound great at 8K. This is all hearsay you understand ... Coming from a guy who's DD is a forklift Rich |
budman5201 |
Sep 23 2009, 01:00 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 1-April 07 From: tempe, az Member No.: 7,635 |
my new clutch. How much torque are you going to put through that clutch? I'm only asking because i had the same one and it couldn't handle 200+ torque. It burned up quick. And their driveability sucks (for street driving) as you get a lot of "chatter" when taking off, say goodbye to smooth clutch action ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy well what kind of pressure plate were you running?? |
SirAndy |
Sep 23 2009, 01:06 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
well what kind of pressure plate were you running?? Don't remember, but it wasn't stock ... I now run the KEP Stage 2 and it's much smoother and plenty strong ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
aircooledtechguy |
Sep 23 2009, 03:26 PM
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The Aircooledtech Guy Group: Members Posts: 1,966 Joined: 8-November 08 From: Anacortes, WA Member No.: 9,730 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Coming from a guy who's DD is a forklift Hey, nuttin' flatter in the corners than a forklift. . . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
ConeDodger |
Sep 23 2009, 11:39 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,606 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
Rear bar is fine on the street and autocross and freakin' dangerous on the track. Disconnected one side after the first lap. Might be better now that I have the Tarret bar in the front but the back end felt like ice patch.
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bfrymire |
Sep 24 2009, 02:23 AM
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Salsaholic Group: Members Posts: 590 Joined: 1-August 04 From: Sunnyvale, CA Member No.: 2,431 Region Association: Northern California |
Hey guys just wanted some info. I have the front swaybar installed and i am installing the rear this weekend....What will my difference in handling be compared to running a front only swaybar? ( i am very used to swaying the back end out around corners and controlling it with my 252 hp subie.) Just wondering the in the pants difference? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) What kind of diff do you have in the back? Regular diff, no sway bar. Torsen or some equivalent diff, and a rear sway bar can be ok. I use a torsen with a rear and I am faster in an autocross. Maybe is just fits my driving style. Just my 2 cents. -- brett |
budman5201 |
Sep 24 2009, 09:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 1-April 07 From: tempe, az Member No.: 7,635 |
Hey guys just wanted some info. I have the front swaybar installed and i am installing the rear this weekend....What will my difference in handling be compared to running a front only swaybar? ( i am very used to swaying the back end out around corners and controlling it with my 252 hp subie.) Just wondering the in the pants difference? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) What kind of diff do you have in the back? Regular diff, no sway bar. Torsen or some equivalent diff, and a rear sway bar can be ok. I use a torsen with a rear and I am faster in an autocross. Maybe is just fits my driving style. Just my 2 cents. -- brett Well its on. I just have to extend the drop links by a 1/2 inch so they clear my exhaust. then its Testing time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) |
degreeoff |
Sep 25 2009, 07:55 AM
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I like big butts and I can not lie! Group: Members Posts: 1,622 Joined: 9-February 03 From: Booowieeee MD (near DC) Member No.: 275 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
well good luck. IF you don't have a LSD of one sort or another you WILL lose power when you lift the inside wheel. BTDT. Mines sitting on a shelf right now! I now have 225lb springs and all is well.
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campbellcj |
Sep 25 2009, 10:38 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,547 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California |
+1
I did not reinstall my rear bar until the LSD went in. When I first bought this car, the suspension was all effed-up and with the rear bar installed and no limited slip, it was virtually undriveable. |
slackin' at work |
Sep 26 2009, 06:35 AM
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i should be working Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 12-October 07 From: charlottesville, va Member No.: 8,215 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Im a little late to this thread... but I'll throw in my 2 cents.
I installed front and rear stock swaybars and it was like night and day. bilsteins all around, uprated springs and summer performance tires keep me planted really well in the twisties. I don't track the car. Im only running a stock 1.7 so there is <.1% chance I'll get wheel spin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) bottom line, I couldn't believe how much of an improvement they made. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) |
Steve |
Sep 26 2009, 04:20 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,606 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
I have one in my car. In the front i have a 22mm POS Weltmeister. I'm saving money for a Tarret bar. In the rear a stock sway bar. My car also has a limited slip. It does make the car more twitchy in high speed corners, but its nice for auto crosses and for the street. The main reason I keep it on is that where I live in Laguna Niguel there is this crazy corner on Avery that's half up hill and half on flat ground. Without the rear sway bar, the rear of the car lifts on the flat part of the corner and then the car spins out. Great for scaring on coming traffic and the spouse. With the rear sway bar the rear of the car cannot lift which causes the car to drift instead of spinning out.
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ClayPerrine |
Sep 26 2009, 04:40 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,503 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Ok.. here is my input on this subject.
The suspension is a whole system. Changes you make to one part affect all of the other parts. What a sway bar does is provide roll stiffness without increasing spring rate. If you are running stock springs and stock shocks, then having both the front and rear sway bars make sense. The car will corner fairly flat and will be stable. This is a description of my wife's 914. If you increase the spring rate on the rear of the car to compensate for a bigger motor, you need to eliminate the rear bar. This is because you have increased the roll stiffness in the rear of the car with stiffer springs. If you leave the bar with the stiffer springs, the car will no longer be neutral handling. If you add a limited slip or torque biasing differental, the car will again need a rear bar. The limited slip changes the turning dynamics, and the rear bar will help correct this. The best thing to do is read... get a copy of a book called "How To Make Your Car Handle by Fred Phun". This book will teach you a buttload about how suspension systems work on cars, and how to tell what is wrong when you make changes. I have two copies of it, and one has been read through so many times it is literally falling apart. But it is worth the cost, it can explain this stuff far better than I can. |
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