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post Mar 8 2010, 09:46 PM
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so i finally got the car running but i have to have the ignition wires different than i was told to have them.In stead of the #1 wire being over the tdc mark in the distributor the #1 wire is 90 degrees before that. will this be a problem?? when i do try to start the car up with the wires in the right order i hear a huge pop sound and it never starts up. thats why i just have them all shifted 90 degrees. will my car still be fine like this? and also how do i time the car if the wires aren't right?
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post Mar 8 2010, 09:51 PM
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so i finally got the car running but i have to have the ignition wires different than i was told to have them.In stead of the #1 wire being over the tdc mark in the distributor the #1 wire is 90 degrees before that. will this be a problem?? when i do try to start the car up with the wires in the right order i hear a huge pop sound and it never starts up. thats why i just have them all shifted 90 degrees. will my car still be fine like this? and also how do i time the car if the wires aren't right?

It'll run (sort of), but it'll never be right ...

Who build the motor?
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Wait, TDC mark in the distributor??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Mar 8 2010, 09:54 PM
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i have new idea who built the motor but the tdc mark im talking about is the little notch on the distributor
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post Mar 8 2010, 09:55 PM
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Wait, TDC mark in the distributor??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


Ya, i caught that one to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)
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post Mar 8 2010, 09:56 PM
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I had a motor where the builder installed the dizzy drive shaft 180 degrees off. The motor ran but i could never get it to run right. Backfire, missing power in the mid range, all sort of trouble that no timing, adjusting and tuning could fix.

Do you have the timing marks on the flywheel?

You need to pop the valve covers and make sure #1 is at TDC during the compression stroke.
Once you got that, hopefully the marks on the flywheel and the rotor are all in the right spot.


Pray that someone knew what the dots on the cam-gear are for ...
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post Mar 8 2010, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 8 2010, 09:01 PM) *

I had a motor where the builder installed the dizzy drive shaft 180 degrees off. The motor ran but i could never get it to run right. Backfire, missing power in the mid range, all sort of trouble that no timing, adjusting and tuning could fix.

Do you have the timing marks on the flywheel?

You need to pop the valve covers and make sure #1 is at TDC during the compression stroke.
Once you got that, hopefully the marks on the flywheel and the rotor are all in the right spot.


Pray that someone knew what the dots on the cam-gear are for ...
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well i know where the tdc is because i did the valve adjustments and timed it and tried everything to get it to run right then i was doing some research on this site and found that my wires are 90 degrees off from most other peoples. and then someone told me to find tdc and place the #1 wire there and then go 1,4,3,2 but my car would refuse to start wen in those positions. so i moved them all 90 degrees left and it would start and sound great in idle but just doesnt run right when driving around. hope that helps explain the situation im stuck in right now. i just received new points, cap, rotor, and condenser to. will those help my problem any
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post Mar 8 2010, 10:33 PM
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Here's a quicky diagram. Should help.

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post Mar 8 2010, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(tod914 @ Mar 8 2010, 09:33 PM) *

Here's a quicky diagram. Should help.

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tod whenever i put my wires like in your picture my car wont start and backfires. is there a reason for that. if i move each wire one counter clockwise it starts right up i just dont get it??
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post Mar 8 2010, 10:40 PM
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sixer, sorry no idea.
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post Mar 8 2010, 10:42 PM
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The notch on the dist is there just to locate the cap. Mine is 90 deg counter clockwise from that with one of my dist., the other I had (009) was 180 different. The dist drive gear may be off, but if you can get it to run, and it times ok, don't worry about it.
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sixer, sorry no idea.

thanks anyways the attempt was appreciated

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post Mar 8 2010, 10:44 PM
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Been a while but that looks messed up to me. Aren't 1 & 3 on the same side of the motor. While 2 & 4 are on the opposite side (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) . Man I don't know it's been a while & I'm tired. Maybe that will look right tommorow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
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QUOTE(underthetire @ Mar 8 2010, 09:42 PM) *

The notch on the dist is there just to locate the cap. Mine is 90 deg counter clockwise from that with one of my dist., the other I had (009) was 180 different. The dist drive gear may be off, but if you can get it to run, and it times ok, don't worry about it.


ok thankyou that is very helpful. that leads me to my next question. since my wires are rotates 90 degrees counter clockwise do i still time the #1 wire? or the #4 since thats where the #1 is suppose to be?
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QUOTE(JRust @ Mar 8 2010, 09:44 PM) *

Been a while but that looks messed up to me. Aren't 1 & 3 on the same side of the motor. While 2 & 4 are on the opposite side (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) . Man I don't know it's been a while & I'm tired. Maybe that will look right tommorow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

no im pretty sure that diagram is right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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QUOTE(underthetire @ Mar 8 2010, 09:42 PM) *

The notch on the dist is there just to locate the cap. Mine is 90 deg counter clockwise from that with one of my dist., the other I had (009) was 180 different. The dist drive gear may be off, but if you can get it to run, and it times ok, don't worry about it.


ok thankyou that is very helpful. that leads me to my next question. since my wires are rotates 90 degrees counter clockwise do i still time the #1 wire? or the #4 since thats where the #1 is suppose to be?



All cars #1, no matter where the dizzy is pointing.
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QUOTE(sixers34926 @ Mar 8 2010, 08:44 PM) *

QUOTE(underthetire @ Mar 8 2010, 09:42 PM) *

The notch on the dist is there just to locate the cap. Mine is 90 deg counter clockwise from that with one of my dist., the other I had (009) was 180 different. The dist drive gear may be off, but if you can get it to run, and it times ok, don't worry about it.


ok thankyou that is very helpful. that leads me to my next question. since my wires are rotates 90 degrees counter clockwise do i still time the #1 wire? or the #4 since thats where the #1 is suppose to be?



All cars #1, no matter where the dizzy is pointing.


ok thanks ill try that out this weekend (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) should i still install the new rotor, cap , points, and condenser?
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Must be that mine has 8 cylinders (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Okay my other 2 are 4's but I haven't worked on one of those motors in years. I'll play the I'm with stupid card for now. I'm going to bed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Do you have a dwell meter?
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Do you have a dwell meter?

yes i do
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