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OT, Daytona 500 |
Elliot Cannon |
Feb 20 2011, 11:37 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
Watched the Daytona 500 today.
For about five minutes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) is up with NASCAR. Do they now chain the cars together so they can run in tandem? It just kills me when they refer to the cars as Chevys, Fords and Toyotas. When one of the expert commentators call them "stock" cars, I want to slap him up side his empty head. |
rick 918-S |
Feb 20 2011, 11:44 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,493 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
NASTRAIN (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) I was telling my son today that BMW should put together a team and run their 6 cylinder and clean all their clocks.
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messix |
Feb 20 2011, 11:50 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Watched the Daytona 500 today. For about five minutes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) is up with NASCAR. Do they now chain the cars together so they can run in tandem? It just kills me when they refer to the cars as Chevys, Fords and Toyotas. When one of the expert commentators call them "stock" cars, I want to slap him up side his empty head. where have you been? they ef'd with the aero again and now thats the fast way for the cars to run is "bump"drafting all the way around the track and wrecking each other every other lap because of it! if they line up any more than 2 cars they slow down.... qualify speed were 185ish and earlier they were running 206mph in pairs, nascar then put another 1/64 more on the restrictor plate trying to slow them down. it was a good race for the mess that it was. they need to dirty the aero up beyond what drafting will cure and take the restrictors off! and there is talk of going to a more stock profile for the cars. there goes the template that fits all |
Elliot Cannon |
Feb 21 2011, 12:53 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
Why don't they just call it Formula Nascar?
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Elliot Cannon |
Feb 21 2011, 12:55 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
NASTRAIN (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) I was telling my son today that BMW should put together a team and run their 6 cylinder and clean all their clocks. Then there would be at least one "stock" car in the race. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
damesandhotrods |
Feb 21 2011, 01:48 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 568 Joined: 26-September 10 From: Santa Cruz California Member No.: 12,218 Region Association: Northern California |
It was so much better when they had to race what was in the showrooms, and had to have in the showrooms what they raced. The racing in European Touring Cars is so much better.
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zymurgist |
Feb 21 2011, 05:28 AM
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"Ace" Mechanic Group: Members Posts: 7,411 Joined: 9-June 05 From: Hagerstown, MD Member No.: 4,238 Region Association: None |
It was so much better when they had to race what was in the showrooms, and had to have in the showrooms what they raced. The racing in European Touring Cars is so much better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The COT ended forever the pretense that Sprint Cup is a "stock" car series when it's really a "spec" car series. That ain't a Toyota or a Chevy out there, folks... it's a spec chassis with a hand-built engine based on a Toyota or Chevy block in it. I think they should require a "stock" body shell (with appropriate roll cage and other safety gear). Let them bolt on CF body panels or whatever, but the basic cage should be factory stock. |
6freak |
Feb 21 2011, 08:19 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
WHY TO GO ROOKIE (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)
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Tom |
Feb 21 2011, 12:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
Used to be I'd be glued to the TV, now I have more time to do other things. Nascar is boring anymore. I did catch the ending tho", even if it did take two starts to get there. Guess it could have taken more. Another thing that irritates me. Funny rules, wonder what the rule makers are on?? I see more rule changes in the near future also.
What a memory for that rookie!! I also am in favor of modifying a stock off the showroom floor car and then racing that. Nothing "stock" about these cars anymore! Tom |
Grelber |
Feb 21 2011, 12:52 PM
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Insert favorite Don Rickles joke here. Group: Members Posts: 690 Joined: 30-May 06 From: McKinney, Texas Member No.: 6,107 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Did you see the pics from what they called the "Heat Seeking Camera"? The company I work for (FLIR) provided them with the cameras and techs to do that. Way kool technology involved in the infrared cameras.
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biosurfer1 |
Feb 21 2011, 01:07 PM
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Teener fo Life! Group: Members Posts: 3,020 Joined: 3-August 03 From: Roseville, CA Member No.: 977 Region Association: Northern California |
I also am in favor of modifying a stock off the showroom floor car and then racing that. Nothing "stock" about these cars anymore! Tom That doesn't make any sense to me...that is what they are doing now, they just take a very loose definition for "modifying". It's just like the construction business...if you keep one brick from the old building, its not a new building, its a remodel. I would be interested in a 100%, no mods what-so-ever race. The drivers could pick any production car they want (one that could be bought by any Joe off the street) and they race that car. A lot of the cars these days go plenty fast for an entertaining race and then it would purely rely on the driver's skills and what the manufacturer builds directly off the line. To me, the cars racing today have nothing to do with what a regular person can buy, it's simply shows what a manufacturer can do with an almost unlimited budget, and thats not how production cars are made. |
Eric_Shea |
Feb 21 2011, 01:14 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE It was so much better when they had to race what was in the showrooms, and had to have in the showrooms what they raced. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.goldenagegems.com-1110-1298315651.1.jpg) I think I'm going to cry... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
orange914 |
Feb 21 2011, 03:52 PM
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http://5starmediaworks.com/index.html Group: Members Posts: 3,371 Joined: 26-March 05 From: Ceres, California Member No.: 3,818 Region Association: Northern California |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) is up with NASCAR. Do they now chain the cars together so they can run in tandem? for 3 hrs speed channel went on and on about the new track redo this year. talked about expecting 3 and 4 cars next to each other... how different it was going to be. it was weird seeing the "sets" in the corners doing 190 3 deep side by side. they have dedicated guys just watching and comunicating with other teams trying to stategically partner up to get that drafting advantage not the 79' richard petty i remember |
rick 918-S |
Feb 21 2011, 06:14 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,493 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
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ws91420 |
Feb 21 2011, 06:51 PM
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Yes I have one a Lensley 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,063 Joined: 10-September 03 From: Ruther Glen,VA (halfway between sticks and civilization) Member No.: 1,137 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Everyone wants to bash NASCAR for no longer being a stock car. They stopped being a "stock car" the moment they started racing them. Tell me another series that still uses a carb, doesn't use computer engine management, doesn't use traction control, doesn't use ABS, and still uses a distributor.
Those early days of NASCAR the engines the engines were modified past stock specs. All the modifications have been for safety. The full tube chassis which was introduced for safety made it neccassary for the sheet metal bodies we know today. What would F-1 or Le Mans be like w/o the computers on the cars. |
Tom |
Feb 21 2011, 06:59 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
That doesn't make any sense to me...that is what they are doing now, they just take a very loose definition for "modifying". It's just like the construction business...if you keep one brick from the old building, its not a new building, its a remodel.
biosurfer1, Really? What part is stock? They have a tube frame, sheetmetal body to NASCAR specs, all modified brakes, wheels, engines, drive train. I am sorry, but I don't see anything stock about these cars. Many years ago, yes. Tom |
6freak |
Feb 21 2011, 07:00 PM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
What would F-1 or Le Mans be like w/o the computers on the cars. [/quote] FUN |
messix |
Feb 21 2011, 07:04 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Everyone wants to bash NASCAR for no longer being a stock car. They stopped being a "stock car" the moment they started racing them. Tell me another series that still uses a carb, doesn't use computer engine management, doesn't use traction control, doesn't use ABS, and still uses a distributor. Those early days of NASCAR the engines the engines were modified past stock specs. All the modifications have been for safety. The full tube chassis which was introduced for safety made it neccassary for the sheet metal bodies we know today. What would F-1 or Le Mans be like w/o the computers on the cars. agreed, but they could still hang some sheetmetal on the cars that "actually" look like a stock car. the nose and roof and deck lid should still be production based! the car before the "cot" was actually like a 7/8ths scale of the the "cars" they where based on. |
messix |
Feb 21 2011, 07:09 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
It was so much better when they had to race what was in the showrooms, and had to have in the showrooms what they raced. The racing in European Touring Cars is so much better. have you seen what the under body of a dtm car looks like? far from stock! huge aero venturies creating big time down force! |
Lou W |
Feb 21 2011, 07:12 PM
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"Here Kitty Kitty" my ass...... Group: Members Posts: 4,109 Joined: 9-May 04 From: Roseburg, OR. Member No.: 2,039 Region Association: Spain |
I give NASCAR alot of credit for trying, though I didn't particulary care for the race, I'm sure NASCAR will make more changes to make for better racing. Dave Despain said that resurfacing the track played a big part in drafting the whole 2.5 miles, much smoother than it use to be. I don't think we will see the two car push/pulling outside of Daytona or Talladega.
I thought the race to watch was the Camping Truck Series. My understanding is that the carbs are still going away, however it looks like it will be in 13 and Toyota said the Camary will be redesigned at that time too. The fronts were redesigned to look more like their manufactures cars that they sell, one concern was that Ford had an advantage for cooling with theirs. The ending was great for the Woods brothers, first win since 2001, it was like hitting the lottery. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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