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> Recommendations on installing glass flares, Rivets or some bolt setup?
JRust
post Mar 27 2011, 03:23 PM
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So I bought a set of fiberglass flares. I have seen a few flares done with rivots. Also I've seen some with an allen head bolt/nut combo. What have you done? I am going to go with a 2 tone look & have my flares blacked out on my orange v8 914. I'd like some pics of yours & how you did your install if possible. Thanks
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J P Stein
post Mar 27 2011, 03:48 PM
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Big head(1/2 inch) pop head rivets.
Drill the right size hole & have at it.
I've bought/sent the proper rivets to a few 914 fellas if you can't find any.


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post Mar 27 2011, 04:07 PM
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post Mar 27 2011, 05:08 PM
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Dzus fasteners. Pics in my blog, but I can you you better ones if you need them.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?aut...blogid=383&

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post Mar 27 2011, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(dion9146 @ Mar 27 2011, 04:08 PM) *

Dzus fasteners. Pics in my blog, but I can you you better ones if you need them.
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Nice car Dion & a perfect example to give me. I think my orange is pretty close to yours. What did you put on the lip of the flare all the way around?
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post Mar 27 2011, 06:55 PM
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http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...hl=bolt++flares

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Theres a blue car that comes to mind. He attached his flares with panhead allen bolts and inset them. It looked great.
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post Mar 27 2011, 07:06 PM
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Randals looks nice. Still looking for the other blue car.



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post Mar 28 2011, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE(JRust @ Mar 27 2011, 07:43 PM) *

QUOTE(dion9146 @ Mar 27 2011, 04:08 PM) *

Dzus fasteners. Pics in my blog, but I can you you better ones if you need them.
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Nice car Dion & a perfect example to give me. I think my orange is pretty close to yours. What did you put on the lip of the flare all the way around?


Thanks. Actually, it's guards red, but does look kind of orangish. That beading around the lip is good ol fashioned VW Bug fender welding. My first car didn't have that with the bolt on flares, but I like the look better on a street car.

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post Mar 28 2011, 09:24 PM
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Thanks. Actually, it's guards red, but does look kind of orangish. That beading around the lip is good ol fashioned VW Bug fender welding. My first car didn't have that with the bolt on flares, but I like the look better on a street car.
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Sorry (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) . It's so dang hard to distinguish red in pics. Depending on the light it is even harder. I guess mine is closer to Phoenix red than guards red. Still I thank you for the picture. I think I will go with the bug welting also. I also plan to keep my flares black. I dig orange & black! Yeah I am an Oregon State Beaver fan & that just happens to be our colors (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif) .

The other benefit to the rivet on flares is if I decide to go to metal flares later. There is still enough metal there to work with. My flares should be here wednesday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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post Mar 29 2011, 06:01 PM
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Yes. there should be plenty of extra material for metal flares. I've had the same thought, but I gotta tell you, unbolting the flares and working on the suspension pieces or brakes is very nice without flares in the way!

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post Mar 29 2011, 09:02 PM
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Hey Dion what rockers are those? Also what DZUS fasteners did you use?
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post Mar 29 2011, 09:11 PM
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I had never been a fan of the glass flares because I've seen a lot of pics of them cracking at the bond point... but I gotta tell ya, I'm digging the rivited look, especially for a track car.
Jamie.. I think the DZUS (black a possibility?) on black flares with black welting on you orange car will look awesome! I'm thinking DZUS like Dion said, for the usability.
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What kind of Dzus fasteners are they?

I was thinking flairs but I as going towards Tangerine Racing flairs.
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post Mar 29 2011, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE(JRust @ Mar 28 2011, 07:24 PM) *

QUOTE(dion9146 @ Mar 28 2011, 05:39 PM) *

Thanks. Actually, it's guards red, but does look kind of orangish. That beading around the lip is good ol fashioned VW Bug fender welding. My first car didn't have that with the bolt on flares, but I like the look better on a street car.
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Sorry (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) . It's so dang hard to distinguish red in pics. Depending on the light it is even harder. I guess mine is closer to Phoenix red than guards red. Still I thank you for the picture. I think I will go with the bug welting also. I also plan to keep my flares black. I dig orange & black! Yeah I am an Oregon State Beaver fan & that just happens to be our colors (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif) .

The other benefit to the rivet on flares is if I decide to go to metal flares later. There is still enough metal there to work with. My flares should be here wednesday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

I also like the look with the fendor welt, but I wouldn't do rivets. They would be a pain in the ass. Aluminum and steel don't like each other side by side, especially when there is moisture involved. Not to mention drilling them out when you need to take a flare off.

I would do dzus or inset allen bolts (may require some additional fiberglass) and weld some nuts on the backside. Make sure that everthing that can get wet will drain well, is properly coated, and you should be good to go.
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post Mar 29 2011, 10:13 PM
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Jamie, Install like these. Easy and no drilling or welding required...



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post Mar 29 2011, 10:25 PM
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somewhere there's a thread of Dr. Gary's 914 6 with riveted steel flares.

Rothsport installed them and did their typical great job. They look great!

I, on the other hand, installed 'glass ones myself and didn't shape the interior edges (just painted them and riveted them on!) If you don't shape and clean up the interior edges, you'll have the bulging edges like mine. It is a track day car and I don't mind.
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Rivets are available from Pegasus Racing, BTW Have a couple of bags 'o them!
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post Mar 29 2011, 10:43 PM
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I really don't plan to take them off to often. I am fine using rivets. I hear you on shaping the inside of the flares so it will sit nice against the fender. I want them to look good but am not expecting great. Still some Dzus fasteners are a apossibility.
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post Mar 30 2011, 02:24 AM
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I had never been a fan of the glass flares because I've seen a lot of pics of them cracking at the bond point... ...


Done right, they don't crack. I put an offset in the metal, shrunk it back till the glass was as flush as possible, then used rivets to attach. The DAPO had just set them on and used rivets, only cut one of the original fenders back at all, and not enough at that. Bondo was about an inch thick to hide the rivets, really raised the fender line... (I passed on the Fakes he had on it, with 4-5 lug adapters...)

The secret ingredient is called Vette Adhesive, it's made for bonding glass to metal and it remains a little flexible. Second trick is to make sure the paint for the fenders is mixed with a bit extra plasticizer, so it won't crack either. Mine still look fine after a lot of years as a DD. Still, I did manage to crack one in the garage while moving a rack-mount PC, took a big chunk out right at the seam. 30 lbs concentrated on one corner will do that though... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)
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post Mar 30 2011, 06:08 AM
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Mine have been on the car for 5 years like this - no cracks at all. I agree that it is critical that the metal edge is formed to meet the glass flare, and visa versa. The dzus fasteners are good old quarter turn type that are black anodized. The rockers are GT rockers.

Here is a closer pic of the dzus setup including my fender mounted oil cooler for the 3.2.


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I glassed mine on. i know you said rivet or bolt, but glassing was not that hard to do.
It only took a weekend , about 5-6 hours a flared to do.
(not including dry time for glass and glazing putty)
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But I would rivet them next time though
Nice big 1/2 head rivets is what i would use.
I think dzus maybe over kill for flares-do you guys remove your flares that much?
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