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Harpo |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Motor City aka Detroit Member No.: 13,469 Region Association: None ![]() |
Is anyone using cross drilled rotors on the rear?
Thanks David |
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IronHillRestorations |
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I. I. R. C. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,833 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
Only if they are vented rotors. You don't cross drill solid rotors.
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914 guy in Japan ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,182 Joined: 7-November 07 From: Nagoya, Japan Member No.: 8,305 Region Association: None ![]() |
The Automotion catalog sells or sold stock 914 solid (non vented) rear discs. I believe they were made by Zimmerman but need to double check that and my catalog may be a couple of seasons out of date.
You should talk with Eric Shea at PMB for all your needs. I am not sure, but I hear from my friends here in Japan that cross drilled discs look great but wear out your pads much much quicker. Never attempt to drill your own rotors. |
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
And they like too crack between the holes. Grooved rotors are supposed to be a better option.
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
Unless you are into serious racing, you are wasting your money on grooved or cross-drilled rotors.
They fall into the category of "Bling" for street use. |
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've had cross drilled solid rotors on my car for over 8 years. I use them for the same reason I painted the calipers red. And it's got nothing to do with stopping power. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Chingon 601 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 ![]() |
they deliver on the street cool scene. yellow calipers are much faster than red
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dlestep |
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I am smilin'... ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 890 Joined: 15-January 08 From: Sunrise Florida Member No.: 8,573 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
Drilling started with the 550 and 356 GT drums and went through the 908 and 917 as a weight savings move, nothing more.
If you are going to run cross-drilled rotors, the entries and exits have to be countersunk or "break edges at 30 thousands." The holes should not be any closer than three diameters in a line or arc. Slotting in my eyes, is worse because it has two surfaces. The floor of the slot removes too much material. If the vertical wall is not radiused it will create stress risers as well and will exhibit a higher temperature than the upper pad contact surface, and temperatures will not be uniformly distributed. |
Harpo |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Motor City aka Detroit Member No.: 13,469 Region Association: None ![]() |
Thanks for the advise. I will save my money
David |
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914 Rudiments ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,321 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Coronado,Cali Member No.: 151 Region Association: Southwest Region ![]() |
.....I used them for a long while myself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (blue caliper's) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 7-March 06 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 5,687 ![]() |
On my 4-lug car they look like this
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/thextremeresources.com-5687-1326856453.1.jpg) 30k miles later, and 3 seasons of autocross on race tires, still look exactly like they did when I put them on. |
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PMB Performance ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 19,304 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() |
QUOTE as a weight savings move, nothing more Three reasons... none of which is really weight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) 1. Heat. When the brake pad grabs the rotor, it creates friction, which creates heat. If that heat can't escape, it leads to brake fade, which reduces the brakes' stopping power. How well that works on a solid rotor without venting and cooling vanes? I doubt if it hurts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) 2. Gas. This actually isn't much of a problem any more; however, materials used in some older pads caused gas to build up between the rotors and pads limiting stopping power. That was the main reason cited for drilling rotors on sports purpose vehicles. 3. Water. If a car drives through a puddle, or a rainstorm, the brake rotors can get wet. A wet brake rotor can be slippery for the pads to grab. Having drilled holes makes it easy for heat, gas and water to be quickly moved away from the rotor surface. Not sure I've ever noticed this (the water thing) on a non-drilled rotor but, that's what they say. The obvious downside of using drilled rotors (as mentioned many times) is that all of those holes tend to weaken the rotors. After repeated stressful driving, the rotors can crack. Some don't as you can see here... rear brakes don't get as much of a workout as the fronts probably saving them from the stress crack scenario. Chris, have you set your venting clearance lately? Those rotors don't look like they're getting "blued" which, with your driving style described, they should be. |
NORD |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,505 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Lynden Washington Member No.: 2,756 Region Association: Pacific Northwest ![]() |
On my 4-lug car they look like this (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/thextremeresources.com-5687-1326856453.1.jpg) 30k miles later, and 3 seasons of autocross on race tires, still look exactly like they did when I put them on. I've never seen the spool part of a brake disc drilled out like that. That save much unsprung weight? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None ![]() |
QUOTE After repeated stressful driving, the rotors can crack. This exactly why they will not allow drilled rotors in vintage racing. They allow factory vented rotors however. Stu |
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