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> So, what would it take to twin turbo my 3.6L engine?
SirAndy
post Apr 19 2012, 04:43 PM
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What would it take to twin turbo my 3.6L engine?
There's a few obvious changes, but my guess is there's a lot more to it.

Could any of the newer factory setups be adapted to fit my engine?
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post Apr 19 2012, 04:45 PM
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Many cubic dollars. Other than that I got nothing.
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post Apr 19 2012, 05:18 PM
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What about a supercharger? Way less plumbing. No internal mods. 400hp. $7,500 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post Apr 19 2012, 06:02 PM
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What he said...I know TPC used to offer this 3.6 setup. Contact them for their thoughts (I know someone there if you need a name to drop).
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post Apr 19 2012, 06:04 PM
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Superchargers do make a delicious whine as they wind-up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif)
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:02 PM
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Doesn't the whine screw up the knock sensor?

Lets see a maga-squirt and some staged turbos, and a plastic seat cushion for easy clean up when you unleach the beast. Man that would be a lot of GO?


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post Apr 19 2012, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(a914622 @ Apr 19 2012, 06:02 PM) *

Doesn't the whine screw up the knock sensor?

Lets see a maga-squirt and some staged turbos, and a plastic seat cushion for easy clean up when you unleach the beast. Man that would be a lot of GO?


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Megasquirt is not sofisticated enough to run staged turbos. You need high end EFI stuff for that. Figure $10k for an engineered twin turbo system. And a full rebuild of your engine with all new internals.
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:11 PM
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All you need is one, two for cool factor only...... believe me....
Marty is running dual turbos he could tell ya...

Exhaust turbo = free HP and would be cheaper than the supercharger.
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:14 PM
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All you need is one, two for cool factor only......

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I removed the twin turbo from my engine and went with a larger single turbo. Way easier to setup. You want look at a Motech system as they are used in turbo Porsche race cars everywhere.

What's you budget?
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:15 PM
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The new variable vane turbos act much like having two turbos in one, come on fast and smooth. One single hits hard and makes things interesting quickly..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post Apr 19 2012, 07:20 PM
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What's you budget?

Whatever i want it to be ...
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:38 PM
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What's you budget?

Whatever i want it to be ...
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Nice option.....better get busy only 8 months til the end of the planet.
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post Apr 19 2012, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Apr 19 2012, 06:20 PM) *

QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Apr 19 2012, 06:14 PM) *
What's you budget?

Whatever i want it to be ...
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Then spend the $$$$$ for a complete setup with engine and ECU. Sell you 3.6 to help finance it.
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post Apr 19 2012, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Apr 19 2012, 06:14 PM) *
What's you budget?

Whatever i want it to be ...
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post Apr 19 2012, 09:25 PM
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If your going to keep your 3.6, Why twin turbo? Whats your HP goal? 450? 500? 600? 700?


There is no need to run twin turbos on 3.6l's that is plenty of displacement to run a pretty large single turbo with VERY little turbo lag. Using some of today's turbo technology you can get some pretty impressive numbers.. I'd say go with a twin scroll ball bearing turbo. With a new fancy inlet (like Precisions HTA). Im running a Comp Turbo CTB5356 on my Audi 1.8L and with full spool under 4k rpm's i'll be looking at well over 500hp with the boost cranked up. Maybe close to 600 on race gas. As it is now I have it at 10psi and its making ~ 330hp and has wonderful driveability.

With 3.6L you could run a slightly larger turbo than that and tune however much HP you want and still have very quick spool.

Besides, there is nothing like the feeling of a large single turbo that wants to go more.. Oh man.. Ask Mike...
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post Apr 19 2012, 10:06 PM
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I think mine spools to quick. is that possible? I can get FULLLLL boost by 2000-2500rpm. It makes quick blips of the throttle really fun. Maybe I should let Andy drive mine?
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post Apr 19 2012, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Apr 19 2012, 09:06 PM) *

I think mine spools to quick. is that possible? I can get FULLLLL boost by 2000-2500rpm. It makes quick blips of the throttle really fun. Maybe I should let Andy drive mine?

Maybe you should let ME drive it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 19 2012, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Apr 19 2012, 09:23 PM) *

QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Apr 19 2012, 09:06 PM) *

I think mine spools to quick. is that possible? I can get FULLLLL boost by 2000-2500rpm. It makes quick blips of the throttle really fun. Maybe I should let Andy drive mine?

Maybe you should let ME drive it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

You can only drive as fast as you see, old man (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) But maybe... Beats getting a mustache ride from you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)
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post Apr 19 2012, 10:43 PM
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For some reason I knew this was coming....

It may be easier to buy a turbo motor...IC them for 15k-18k online on Ebay once in a while.
Call EASY...I bet he could find one.

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post Apr 19 2012, 11:28 PM
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Twin turbo might actually be easier on a 914/6 since there aren't any header (I know of ) that combine to a single pipe. So you could add a turbo onto the end of each header. Something like ottox914 did (build thread).

Plumb that directly to where you air cleaner sits now and then figure out the fuel injection situation. Something tunable would be my first thought, of course there are shops that seem to do amazing things with custom chips.

I would love to see a header that turned up at the end of the engine, allowed the turbos to sit near the flywheel, and then continued (post turbo) over the axles and out the back.

IMHO, plumbing is the easy part. FI is a tad harder....
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