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> Wankel 914, the Father of all Engine-Mods!, WOW!
SirAndy
post Oct 29 2004, 05:51 PM
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Found this interesting story:

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In 1970 a Swiss Industrialist named Dr. A. Gerber contracted Franco Sbarro (a Swiss Car-Designer/Builder) to build him a Wankel (Rotary) powered 914.
Sbarro acquired a 914/6 and a 2-Disk Wankel Engine out of a NSU RO 80 ...
The Engine was bolted to a NSU Half-Automatic Transmission, special Axles and Shift-Rod were fabricated.
The Engine was cooled by a front-mounted Radiator with dual Fans out of a Renault R16.
The Water Hoses for the cooling system were routed through the center tunnel.

Technical Details:
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HP - 115
mpg - 21
top speed - 190 km/h


Dr. Gerber used the car as a daily driver and replaced the Motor after about 70000 km with a newer model Wankel Engine.

To this date, the car remains in the possession of the Gerber Family.
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and this is a Photo of Prof. Felix Wankel himself in front of the Car !!! (notice the NSU in the background)


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Bleyseng
post Oct 29 2004, 05:53 PM
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I want the NSU Prinz in the background!!! I almost bought a Ro80 (used ) in the 70's. Way cool car.

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post Oct 29 2004, 06:33 PM
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About that time I was into racing outboards. OMC came out with 4 rotor Wankel outboards. Well over 300hp.
They nearly killed a couple of the factory drivers cause the hulls kept blowing over backwards with the extra top speed. I only got to see the run once in person. Absolutely killed the Mercs.

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post Oct 29 2004, 08:08 PM
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I think it was suzuki who made a rotary for arctic cat snowmobiles a while back. That thing flew like a bat out of hell.
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:10 PM
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Andy, that is a very interesting picture and story, where do you find all this stuff?
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:13 PM
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Very cool article!

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That photo is just way too cool!!! Prof. Felix Wankel himself posing in front of a rotary 914!!! How cool is that?!?

Thanks for sharing!
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(skline @ Oct 29 2004, 07:10 PM)
Andy, that is a very interesting picture and story, where do you find all this stuff?

hint: it helps if you can read german ...

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post Oct 29 2004, 08:17 PM
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It was in the glovebox of #4!
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post Oct 29 2004, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Oct 29 2004, 07:17 PM)
It was in the glovebox of #4!

no, actually, it's out of "Das Grosse VW-Porsche Buch" ...

it's right after the article about the 914 with the 928 Engine in it. (sounds familiar, eh?) ...
Page 173 ...

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post Oct 30 2004, 11:48 AM
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there's a german magazine named "hobby"
in #6 from 1972 (released at March 15) there's a 4 side story about the Wankel 914

unfortunately I didn't own this magazin, but as far as I know a friend in germany has got one
maybe I can get a scan, then I'll post it here

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post Oct 30 2004, 09:32 PM
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Hmmm... and to think, I have a turbo rotary sitting in the garage waiting for me to find something to stuff it into. I WAS thinking Lotus 7 replica (Locost) but this is also intriguing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 31 2004, 11:12 AM
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now here is the story about the Wankel-914 out of the german magazine:

(IMG:http://www.oct.at/wos/tmp/Wankel%20Seite%2024-25.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.oct.at/wos/tmp/Wankel%20Seite%2026-27.jpg)

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post Nov 1 2004, 05:32 PM
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Does the radiator vent out the wheel wells? Looks clean. . .
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post Nov 1 2004, 05:37 PM
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i bet out the bottom


is the second car in the pic, a six with gas burners?????? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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post Nov 1 2004, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(acox914 @ Nov 2 2004, 12:37 AM)
is the second car in the pic, a six with gas burners??????

yepp ... the whole story is about the Wankel project and how it compares with a standard 914-6
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post Nov 2 2004, 07:37 AM
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So how does it compare to the six?
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post Nov 2 2004, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE(Cabasa @ Nov 2 2004, 02:37 PM)
So how does it compare to the six?

I'll come back with this answer later - kinf of bussy at the moment ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

but ... here's another (unfortunately german) article about the Wankel-914


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post Nov 2 2004, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(Cabasa @ Nov 2 2004, 02:37 PM)
So how does it compare to the six?

the summary says, that the Wankel-914 was the better car

to make it easy I translate the table from the last page:

standard 914-6 # Wankel 914
about 8,000 DM # about 1,570 DM # prize of the engine
about 5 hours # about 2 hours # time for engine inspection
premium (95) # standard (91) # kind of fuel
25,8 mpg # 24,3 mpg # fuel consumption
0,33-0,44 gal # 0,22 gal # oil consumption per 600 miles
every 3,125 miles # not nessesary # oilchanges
110 DIN PS # 115 DIN PS # power
about 125 mph # about 120 mph # high speed


The article says, that the 914-6 is extreme noisy, compared with the Wankel-914
The NSU-automitic transmission shifts smooth and pretty well, 1st gear up to 50 mph, 2nd 80 mph and 3rd up to the end of about 120 mph. The lower highspeed is a result of the higher weight, due to the heavy engine and the additional water cooling system.

After about 45,000 miles without any problem the owner ordered a new engine because there was a newer revision available.


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post Nov 2 2004, 03:36 PM
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And those early Ro80 apex seals lasted until 50k when you had to replace them.

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post Nov 2 2004, 06:36 PM
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There was also a rotory motorcylce back in the day. I saw one at the Barber Museum in Alabama. Very clean design.

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