Where do you find the relationship between chassis and engine #'s?, Andy??? |
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Where do you find the relationship between chassis and engine #'s?, Andy??? |
naro914 |
Nov 19 2012, 10:32 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
As in...
If you know the engine number, can you figure out what chassis it belongs to? I see people looking for specific engine cases that match up to their cars (914/6 specifically) and I'm curious how you find that out? TIA |
Gustl |
Nov 19 2012, 11:05 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,516 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
to be sure, you need documents like the original service manual or the Porsche CoA
but there are indicators, that might show you if a chassis could match an engine VIN - 914043xxxxx engine - 6404xxx 0 = model year 1970 |
naro914 |
Nov 20 2012, 07:12 AM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
OK,
I asked because I was trying to see if I could find what car the engine case I have goes to. Engine # 6405100 1970...then ??? |
Cairo94507 |
Nov 20 2012, 07:44 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,808 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Yup; that would be from a '70 Six.
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toolguy |
Nov 20 2012, 09:39 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,270 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California |
6405100 is 78 engines later than mine
From what I've seen with other numbers, the engines weren't always put in in a consistent exact numerical pattern. . By adding 78 to my numbers, I'd estimate your body vin number would be about 914043 1695 or a Karman body ID of 131735. . . On my Six, the trans number matched the Karman trunk stamping number identically My Six is Karman [trunk stamping] ID 1657, vin is 1617, trans is 1657 and my original engine is 5022. . . The trunk stamping is dead center in the trunk pan, about 6-8 inches above the trunk latch. The hole in the picture is the spot for the center screw for the muffler shield. Attached image(s) |
Gustl |
Nov 20 2012, 10:47 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,516 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
From what I've seen with other numbers, the engines weren't always put in in a consistent exact numerical pattern. . yup - you need to know, that there were (4) different engine types in model year 1970 + 71 901/36 - Euro 914-6 with manual transmission 901/37 - Euro 914-6 Sportomatic 901/38 - USA 914-6 with manual transmission 901/39 - USA 914-6 Sportomatic all engine types had their own running numbers this is why very early cars might have close running numbers at VIN and engine number, but very late cars big differences |
naro914 |
Nov 20 2012, 11:09 AM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
OK, so mine is a USA manual - 901/38
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toolguy |
Nov 20 2012, 11:14 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,270 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California |
YEP ! and when you see the zero in the '640' means its a 1970 USA Manual trans 914-6 case
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naro914 |
Nov 20 2012, 11:20 AM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
still doesn't help in finding the chassis it goes to... except that it's a 1970 US manual car.
Funny...if you look at the link at the top of the page for '914 info' and look at Engine Numbers, it says a 901/38 is a 916 engine! |
Gustl |
Nov 20 2012, 12:44 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,516 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
OK, so mine is a USA manual - 901/38 based on this engine number I would expect a VIN somewhere in the 914.0.43.2000 - area maybe +/- 100 numbers Dave Pateman had an excellent list with VINs and matching engine numbers, but unfortunately I never saved it on my computer I didn't see him here on 914World for a long time he used to visit the roadglue forum, but that's long ago ... |
SirAndy |
Nov 20 2012, 12:50 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
still doesn't help in finding the chassis it goes to... except that it's a 1970 US manual car. Well, as stated above, you can narrow it down to a VIN range within '70 ... Looking through the VIN database, i found the following entries: Toolguy: VIN: 914.043.1617 Engine: 640.5022 You: VIN: ??? Engine: 640.5100 Aj Serrano: VIN: 914.043.1722 Engine: 640.5125 That puts your engine somewhere between 914.043.1618 and 914.043.1721. Toolguys VIN and Aj VIN are 105 apart. Their engine numbers are 103 apart. Using that as a guideline, the VIN for your engine should be right around 914.043.1697 ... 914.043.1696 was for sale in 2009 (by a member here): http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...amp;viewid=9810 http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=91224 He indicates that he had a COA for the car, which should show his engine number! Contact him, i bet his engine number is within one or two of yours. 914.043.1697 was for sale online in 2001: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...mp;viewid=11540 914.043.1698 last know location is Switzerland (1998): http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...mp;viewid=11995 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
Gustl |
Nov 20 2012, 12:50 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,516 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
Funny...if you look at the link at the top of the page for '914 info' and look at Engine Numbers, it says a 901/38 is a 916 engine! well, that's definitely wrong 914/38 is a 66/88mm engine (stroke/bore) => 2.0 liter some 916 had a 2.4 liter engine, other a 2.7 liter engine |
Gustl |
Nov 20 2012, 12:53 PM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,516 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
based on this engine number I would expect a VIN somewhere in the 914.0.43.2000 - area maybe +/- 100 numbers ooops - Andy did better research that I ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif) |
naro914 |
Nov 20 2012, 03:56 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
see? That's why I noted Andy in the subject.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Thanks Andy! - I emailed 1696 - how many of us wish we had bought 1697 back in 2001 ($7000!!) - 1698...Switzerland huh? I actually got my case back in 2009 or 2010. Maybe 1696 got sold off in parts?? My mechanic can't remember where he got it... ....or it's 1695 because it probably rusted away (no listing anywhere) |
naro914 |
Nov 21 2012, 09:53 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
so I got a response back from the previous owner of 1696...
"i think the serial number of the engine was 6406040" Obviously...not possible right? I'm hoping he just made a mistake. I'm asking him to go back and confirm... hmmm.... |
SirAndy |
Nov 21 2012, 10:04 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
"i think the serial number of the engine was 6406040" That would be way off! Does he have any pictures of the COA? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
naro914 |
Nov 21 2012, 10:07 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
"i think the serial number of the engine was 6406040" That would be way off! Does he have any pictures of the COA? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Working on it... |
naro914 |
Nov 21 2012, 10:29 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
so...here's a question...Brad's car:
VIN 9140431598 engine number 6405036 How can that be? The VIN is BEFORE TOOLGUY's But the engine is AFTER. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=193548 (i assume the 645036 is a typo, missing the "0") Gotta love Porsche's record keeping... |
SirAndy |
Nov 21 2012, 10:46 PM
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How can that be? The VIN is BEFORE TOOLGUY's But the engine is AFTER. They weren't always in sequence. A lot of things can happen in a factory. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif) |
toolguy |
Nov 23 2012, 01:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,270 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California |
I've keep an eye on vin vs. engine numbers for years. . like I said before, there was nothing consistent about the match, just enough to give us an idea about what is expected. . . What I've noticed is that the engines remain within a 50 number range. . I can imagine the factory with a bunch of engines coming in from the engine assembly and Hanns just picking the closest one to shove in a body. .
Brads car and mine were probably built on the same day, with our Vins 19 apart and the engines 14 apart, although in the wider direction, but still within the 50 number range I mentioned. |
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