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> Big ass flare part two, now with shape
John Kelly
post Nov 18 2004, 02:40 PM
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This is a mock up...not a real flare...just made for my video to show it can be done. First the earlier picture of the flare with no shape, just rolled over my leg...then with shape added.....I used a mallet and shot bag and then smoothed with an english wheel, but the idea is that you can make this type flare and many others by welding panels that you have rolled over your leg in place and then shaping with a ballpeen hammer, and shot dolly...a great way for do-it-yourselfers to make their own flares, large or small.

John www.ghiaspecialties.com


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post Nov 18 2004, 02:42 PM
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post Nov 18 2004, 02:46 PM
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wow! thats looking really good!
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post Nov 18 2004, 02:49 PM
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simply awesome!
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post Nov 18 2004, 03:00 PM
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Is there some way for you to sell these, so I don't screw up my car trying this? Those look perfect! Fit a 245 tire?
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post Nov 18 2004, 03:11 PM
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John, your metalshaping skills are awesome!

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post Nov 18 2004, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(drgchapman @ Nov 18 2004, 04:00 PM)
Fit a 245 tire?

You could probably put a 315 under there.
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post Nov 18 2004, 03:41 PM
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Thanks guys! I have no intention of making these.....not enough time...just want to get the ideas out there. These take more patience than skill, but you can learn a lot doing them. Here is the album with a little more information:

http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/community/comm...d=9980138836765

John www.ghiaspecialties.com
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post Nov 18 2004, 03:51 PM
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Looks great John. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)

What metal would be removed underneath?

Got a shot of the removed metal before the new flare is added?

You are a true master craftsman, keep up the work and ideas....
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post Nov 18 2004, 03:54 PM
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Wow, Very nice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Nov 18 2004, 03:57 PM
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OMG (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)

how much/how long would this take me?
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post Nov 18 2004, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(John Kelly @ Nov 18 2004, 01:41 PM)
Thanks guys! I have no intention of making these.....not enough time...just want to get the ideas out there. These take more patience than skill, but you can learn a lot doing them. Here is the album with a little more information:

http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/community/comm...d=9980138836765

John www.ghiaspecialties.com

Just make one more (opposite hand) and I'll come get em'.
The condition of the one shown is fine with me....I'll take care of the rest. Yes, I'm $eriou$ No sense letting that "mule" go to waste (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 18 2004, 04:08 PM
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Rob,

If this were a real flare, I would remove all the metal underneath it, and butt weld these pieces in place. This is clamped over my more subtle 1" flare....just a mockup for demonstration purposes.

Aaron,

I don't know how long it might take to make flares this way...I'm guessing just this side of forever...well over a hundred hours for four flares for sure, maybe as much as 2-300 hours depending on how nice a job of metal finishing, what tools you use etc.....cost would be minimal.

John www.ghiaspecialties.com
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post Nov 18 2004, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Nov 18 2004, 02:06 PM)
QUOTE(John Kelly @ Nov 18 2004, 01:41 PM)
Thanks guys!  I have no intention of making these.....not enough time...just want to get the ideas out there.  These take more patience than skill, but you can learn a lot doing them.  Here is the album with a little more information:

http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/community/comm...d=9980138836765

John  www.ghiaspecialties.com

Just make one more (opposite hand) and I'll come get em'.
The condition of the one shown is fine with me....I'll take care of the rest. Yes, I'm $eriou$ No sense letting that "mule" go to waste (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

JP,

This is not good enough for anything but a demonstration. I was not careful about the wheel opening, or the overall shape...Judging by your flares, you could do this yourself using the upcoming video. Think of the satisfaction of making your own! I'm too busy/lazy to do a lot of this stuff for others.

John www.ghiaspecialties.com
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post Nov 18 2004, 04:14 PM
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I think it might look totally ridiculous, and probably just plain wrong, but I always wondered what a 914 would look like with some 944 flares... I'm gonna try to photoshop some tonight...
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post Nov 18 2004, 04:17 PM
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John,

Once again; they look great! I'm looking to cover 245's as well. Are all these panels formed over your knee (like you mentioned once before)? Now, some not so subtle arm twisting.........How about you trace the patterns on some paper, and make them available? I can't speak for the others on this list, but I'd gladly pay.

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post Nov 18 2004, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(John Kelly @ Nov 18 2004, 02:14 PM)
Think of the satisfaction of making your own!

John www.ghiaspecialties.com

Oh yeah.....satisfaction....fergot about that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

My hands hurt just thinkin' about that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Nov 18 2004, 05:12 PM
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Andy,

It is simple to make paper patterns of your own. There will be little bit about this in the video. Since this is a quicky mockup, patterns from this would do you no good. Once you've made a wheel opening form and welded it in place with braces, the paper is laid over the form and held in place with magnets or masking tape...trim to fit, weld the pieces together and to the car, and start stretching. The metal is held in place for you so there is a lot less skill involved with getting a good shape. The hardest parts are matching side to side (helps to do a pair of flares at the same time), and designing the flare.

JP,

This way is not hard on your hands like the way you did yours. I don't blame you for not wanting to torture yourself, but the roll forming is prety easy, and a palm nailer is very fast. The hammer and dolly work can be done with soft blows to start and slightly harder blows once the metal starts to get smooth. You can stop anytime and start using some mud, or march on to metal-finishing which is a lot more work.....still better than fiberglass, and you choose the shape.

John www.ghiaspecialties.com
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