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> No Power Captain!, 74 914 2L runs for 10 minutes then dies ?????
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post Jan 14 2014, 01:15 PM
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Ok, I have been fighting some electrical gremlins.

74 2.0L FI 037 brain (now with 270 ohm ballast resistor)

The car runs great for 10-15 minutes then dies.

I tested the power relay and fuel pump relay and fuel pump itself and have power to all.

After it cools off for 3-5 minutes it will start again.

I have not checked for spark, but am guessing when it dies this is what is stopping.

What could this be??? ECU / Brain / Computer? I know they rarely fail

When I unplug my air intake sensor it has no affect on running. I thought maybe another sign of potentially a bad ecu / brain / computer. I have read it is supposed to richen the mixture.


Here is a pic of my car just because I like threads with pictures.
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post Jan 14 2014, 01:43 PM
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Points or electronic ignition?

Possibly a bad coil (although some say coils "never/rarely" go bad). I replaced my coil recently (and new spark plug wires) and now my idle/lumpiness of my 2.0L has really smoothed out.

Have you looked through this site? http://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/djetparts.htm#setups

Make sure you ECU and MPS match.
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post Jan 14 2014, 01:45 PM
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Fuel filter, pump, tank outlet or some other restriction in fuel flow. Check the vent in the gas cap and fuel pressure at the engine.
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post Jan 14 2014, 04:44 PM
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CHTS (Cylinder Head Temp Sensor)
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AAR (Aux Air Regulator)
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:19 PM
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coil, and they do go bad. runs fine cold, as engine warms up, coil expands,windings separate discharge breaks down. cheap easy check before getting into chasing sparks in the dark, swap coils and rule it out first.
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:29 PM
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Go to the Anders site and use the flow chart as suggested.

...then come back......

My .02.
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:32 PM
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Temp II sensor. Try jumping the fuel pump relay and see if it stays running
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:40 PM
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Intake air temp sensor has a small effect on mixture. Head temp sensor has a very large effect.

Check to see if it is in fact spark that you are missing. Use an extra plug, taped with the outer electrode or threads on a ground, hooked to a plug wire. Crank the starter, watch for spark.

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post Jan 14 2014, 06:59 PM
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vapor lock?
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post Jan 14 2014, 10:10 PM
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How does it die ????
Spitter... Sputter.
Or off like a light switch?
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post Jan 14 2014, 11:23 PM
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My bet is faulty gas cap (try runnning it with the cap off and see if it stays running) or faulty coil.
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post Jan 15 2014, 09:23 AM
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When I rebuilt my 73 2.0FI I had the same exact problem. After getting everything as perfect as I could. It still died after 10 minutes. I messed with everything, focusing on the Temp Sensor II. But everything always checked out as fine.

With nothing left to fix, I thought, I finally went and rented (It was free, but needed a deposit) a fuel injector noid light from Auto Zone. It showed that power to the injectors was random after it warmed up. Sometimes it went on then not for a while then on again. I thought it could be the harness, but that tested okay.

So I took out the distributor and cleaned and checked the whole thing. The trigger points were really dirty, out of position and not working correctly when I tested them. After I got it set up perfectly, cleaned the trigger points, got them set just right, and put everything back together. The car ran perfectly and has for the past year.
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post Jan 15 2014, 09:37 AM
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That just goes back to the adage with D-jet that you should check everything mechanical first......everything including the valves. Glad you found the problem. That was my suggestion to the OP.
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post Jan 15 2014, 10:17 AM
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not to hijack the thread but...I have this same typw of issue with my car and I am running Weber 40s.

If warm and car is idling, after about 5 minutes it begins to sputter, revs drop like it's going to die. If I let it go it corrects itself after 10 or 12 seconds; then fine for another 5 minutes.

Happens when I am driving to...feels like car misses a beat or two then carries on.

It started out of the blue. I have fuel at the carbs at 4psi...have a gauge.

So maybe same type problem even tho its carbs.

Now I am thinking coil or condenser is going bad.

Read somewhere here that the coil should be mounted vertical...mine is more horizontal.

Its a new coil with maybe a few hundred miles on it.
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post Jan 15 2014, 01:09 PM
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When this happened to me, it was crud in the fuel tank (tiny particles of metal that got past the "sock" and then cut thru the filter to the fuel pump) causing the pump to get blocked and over heat and shut down.
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post Jan 15 2014, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(iamchappy @ Jan 14 2014, 03:32 PM) *

Temp II sensor. Try jumping the fuel pump relay and see if it stays running


I did one better and jumped the fuel pump itself, as it was starting to die. No change.
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post Jan 15 2014, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(cary @ Jan 14 2014, 08:10 PM) *

How does it die ????
Spitter... Sputter.
Or off like a light switch?


Somewhere in-between. Closer to the light switch.
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post Jan 15 2014, 07:25 PM
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Try borrowing a coil from another member here. Also, have a look at your fuel filter and see if it is clogged.
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post Jan 15 2014, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(injunmort @ Jan 14 2014, 03:19 PM) *

coil, and they do go bad. runs fine cold, as engine warms up, coil expands,windings separate discharge breaks down. cheap easy check before getting into chasing sparks in the dark, swap coils and rule it out first.

good suggestion! I didn't think of this. My coil only has 15,000 miles on it and is shiny new looking, so didn't even consider it. Then again, that is over 7 years. That would be a cheap easy fix.
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post Jan 15 2014, 07:28 PM
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CHTS..........Just saying!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)
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