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Is door gap widening when car is lifted normal? |
doug_b_928 |
Aug 10 2014, 08:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 17-January 13 From: Winnipeg Member No.: 15,382 Region Association: Canada |
I lifted my car for the first time today. The longs have rust and the gap at the top of the door widened (the weight of the rear of the car was pulling it down such that the door gap opened more at the top (see pic below).
I'd say it was double what it is when the wheels are on the ground. So, I won't be surprised if this is because of the rust having weakened the chassis (in fact, I'm glad that it didn't snap off completely), but I'm wondering if some widening like this is normal when the car is lifted from the jack point areas (i.e., using a two post lift) and, if so, how much one should expect. |
flash914 |
Aug 10 2014, 08:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 1-January 11 From: littlerock CA Member No.: 12,554 Region Association: Southern California |
The car new would have none- no change. Joe Sharp -a well known name on this forum- told me to open both doors and have a 225 lb. person stand on the door sill and jump. I would not do that on that car I would go straight to repairs. Gordon
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VaccaRabite |
Aug 10 2014, 08:44 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,465 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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That car has cancer. Probably bad if the gaps are opening up. Zach |
scotty b |
Aug 10 2014, 09:03 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
bad news. All that bubbling under the gold decal isn't a good sign either. More likely than not, the bottom of the door jamb is also shot.
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doug_b_928 |
Aug 10 2014, 09:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 17-January 13 From: Winnipeg Member No.: 15,382 Region Association: Canada |
Yes, the car has lots of cancer. Good to know that the gaps shouldn't widen. Would the gap pictured above be from the weakness in the area where the longs intersect the firewall? The rust on this car is similar to the 'bringing out the dead' and 'digging into hell' threads, but they didn't mention anything about sagging like this.
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rick 918-S |
Aug 10 2014, 09:28 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,480 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
Straight to repairs. Don't mess with it too much or the door won't close any more. I had one that collapsed on the floor when We stood on the rocker with the door open.
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brant |
Aug 10 2014, 09:46 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,635 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
You better asses or post pics
It might not be safe on the road any longer |
SirAndy |
Aug 10 2014, 11:25 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,673 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
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doug_b_928 |
Aug 11 2014, 05:54 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 17-January 13 From: Winnipeg Member No.: 15,382 Region Association: Canada |
Thanks for the feedback guys. I removed the engine (was a little puckered being under it knowing it was sagging), and the door gaps were just as big without the weight of the engine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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76-914 |
Aug 11 2014, 07:55 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,507 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
It's time to start shopping for a CA or AZ roller!
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doug_b_928 |
Aug 11 2014, 07:59 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 17-January 13 From: Winnipeg Member No.: 15,382 Region Association: Canada |
But that would be too easy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Dave_Darling |
Aug 11 2014, 08:18 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,991 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
OK, then shop for a welder!
--DD |
doug_b_928 |
Aug 11 2014, 08:40 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 17-January 13 From: Winnipeg Member No.: 15,382 Region Association: Canada |
Check (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Chris H. |
Aug 11 2014, 05:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,032 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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doug_b_928 |
Aug 11 2014, 05:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 17-January 13 From: Winnipeg Member No.: 15,382 Region Association: Canada |
Yeah, that's the plan. BTW, the reason I'm not planning to go the roller route is because this is my first car and I'm hoping to save it (but not at any cost).
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stugray |
Aug 11 2014, 06:11 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
the reason I'm not planning to go the roller route is because this is my first car and I'm hoping to save it (but not at any cost). Do you mean "This was my very first car and I have a sentimental attachment to it" OR "I just bought this and is my very first car" |
Chris H. |
Aug 11 2014, 06:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,032 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
That's understandable. The good news is that most of the panels are available that you will probably need. Get it all apart and post some pics. Most likely your longs are very rusty. You'll want to check the suspension ears while you're at it.
Depending on your budget you might want to have someone else get it back to structurally solid and do the rest yourself. Rick 918-S lives in Duluth. He has a Celette bench and his work very well-known. You have to get it lined up just right when you replace the longs or the doors will never line up right. |
doug_b_928 |
Aug 11 2014, 06:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 17-January 13 From: Winnipeg Member No.: 15,382 Region Association: Canada |
Yeah, I've already been in touch with Rick and RD. I wish I could drop the car off and have it completely done, but that's not in the budget. Once I get into it I'll know better how best to proceed.
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doug_b_928 |
Aug 11 2014, 06:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 17-January 13 From: Winnipeg Member No.: 15,382 Region Association: Canada |
Stugray, sorry I didn't see your post. This was my very first car. There is a thread here about it (1973 914 was/is my first car). Apparently it was used and abused before I bought it back in 1985. Must have been winter driven. I noticed yesterday that it even has a block heater installed.
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mepstein |
Aug 11 2014, 07:47 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,312 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Nothing that a lot of time and money won't fix. Welcome to the restoration club.
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