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| Andyrew |
 Mar 22 2005, 01:07 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait  Group: Members Posts: 13,380 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California 
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Ok, so its a primative question.. but still, Its bothering me.
Doing some Macbeth work.. and I cant quite get the possesion of some words down.. like.. "Macbeths greed" Is it "Macbeth's greed"? Doesnt the " 's " signify 'Macbeth is' Next... "Confusion in the lifes of Macbeth" life's lives lifes ??? Dankie!! Andrew |
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| Meredith |
Mar 22 2005, 01:12 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 615 Joined: 2-December 03 Member No.: 1,414 Region Association: None |
"Macbeth's greed." The same way you would say "Andrew's car." And I believe it's "Confusion in the lives of Macbeth," unless I'm reading it wrong.
Maybe? |
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| Andyrew |
Mar 22 2005, 01:15 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,380 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Ok, well i was right on the lives part.. lol
Thanks!!!! |
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| phantom914 |
Mar 22 2005, 01:27 AM
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non-914-owner non-club member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,013 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Covina,CA(North ofWest Covina) Member No.: 1,708  |
In the case of posessives, the 's is not a contraction of is, it is a contraction of his. In the old times, they would say "a man his dog" but today we contract it to "a man's dog".
I know this is useless information to you, but you should really avoid reading Shakespeare. It'll rot you brain. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Andrew |
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| MattR |
Mar 22 2005, 01:53 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
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I was so sick of everyone telling me Shakespeare was so great... its the SAME STORY over and over again. I'll take a well written post modern short story any day. Andrew, what are you studying again? Arent you almost done with those english classes? |
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| SpecialK |
Mar 22 2005, 02:05 AM
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aircraft surgeon Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,211 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Pacific, MO Member No.: 1,797 |
Hmmmm.....that's odd, I thought the official language in CA was Spanish...or was it Tagala! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) (okay....the Tagala reference is only funny if you live near a Naval Base (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) )
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| MattR |
Mar 22 2005, 02:08 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
I did bueno on the SATs and my honors english classes. I dont think literature should be taught in a class room... but thats just me.
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| redshift |
Mar 22 2005, 02:24 AM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
Matt, if you don't like Shakespeare, your teacher isn't working at showing you the wit.
The idea is, you SEE the wit, and it inspires you to be witty. Language is a game, and a fun one! Here, like this breakdown of Coleridge's Rime of the Ancient Mariner teaches. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridg...nt_Mariner.html I never understood the story, 'til a crazy person, that had committed it to memory explained. Holy shit! You mean the ship was going south? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) I'd have never known! That was maybe 23 years ago, and I am a different person, for the cause of it. I think it may even be the basis of my love of higher knowledge I ended up with around that time.. when I had thought there was nothing more to it. "I conjure you, by that which you profess, Howe'er you come to know it, answer me!" And that is how, but how I do loathe the poet. Flowery crap, without the meaning, SUCKS ROCKS. M |
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| SpecialK |
Mar 22 2005, 02:39 AM
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aircraft surgeon Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,211 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Pacific, MO Member No.: 1,797 |
Oh, I see Miles! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)
Kind of like: There was a young man from Nantucket.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Okay....maybe not. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smoke.gif) To drinketh another ale, or not to drinketh another ale....that is the question. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) Hark..I hear yon wenc....ummm..fair maiden calleth thee, to bedeth I headeth. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/Yack.gif) |
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| ArtechnikA |
Mar 22 2005, 04:34 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
primItive. work on your spelling too :-) ... oh - and it's grammAr -- grammer is your father's mother... you want confusing ? if it is PLURAL - as in, we are talking about ALL the Macbeths -- it would be Macbeths' greed. Possessive-plural moves the possessive apostrophe after the plural s. one of life's (possessive) mysteries is that "life's (contraction) but a dream" and cats have nine lives (plural). so - it all depends on what you're trying to say in the context. personally, i recommend the New York Times Style Guide and Strunk & White's "The Elements of Style." these are VERY slim books that contain concise examples in context of the most common usage problems. probably not one person in a hundred uses 'comprise' properly. remember this: "The whole comprises the parts." |
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| Steve Thacker |
Mar 22 2005, 04:52 AM
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UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Why Miles you do occupy your mind! After numerous posts of folks poking fun at you as if you where a drug induced, burned out hull of a rocker. Not so say I...not so!
Seriously I know Shakespeare was doing it all for the liturary and entertainment effect. Couldn't he just wrote the stuff so people didn't have to hire a professor to decypher it? Oh I had it in school, but I also recall falling asleep more than once. In other words I'm just too damn dumb to understand it....so therefore I slumber (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) As a confirmed ridge runner from Virginia, we don't cotton to Shakespeare too much. That feller just talks too dang funny......... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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| ArtechnikA |
Mar 22 2005, 04:57 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
and anyway, i was quite disappointed with "Romeo and Juliet" since it was such an obvious ripoff of "West Side Story" ...
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| skline |
Mar 22 2005, 09:02 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) I have to agree, Miles, you just blew me away, I didnt know you had it in you. Wonders never cease. If you continue to do that and say things like that, people are going to think you are intelligent and lose their long standing impression of you. Are you sure you want to do that?? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| rick 918-S |
Mar 22 2005, 09:19 AM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 21,239 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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I on the other hand am not surprised... You don't do the things Miles has done, and go the places he's been because you know three cords on a stringed insturment. Miles shows his literary side alot if you read between the text. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) |
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Mar 22 2005, 09:35 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
That would be "Tagalog" ....................... The Cap'n |
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| nebreitling |
Mar 22 2005, 09:39 AM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
indeed -- miles is a sharp cookie, but probably not too tasty.
english in elizabethan england showed its germanic roots more than today, so things will be *different*. don't get hung up on that, these are extraordinary works, and very witty as miles said. on that note, one thing that has always bugged me is the nailed thread: "Members 914 pictures". should it not be, "Members' 914 pictures"? |
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| lapuwali |
Mar 22 2005, 10:04 AM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
The language is full of all kinds of oddball rules. In possessives, the usual rule is 's for singular, s' for plural or if the word naturally ends in an s. If someone is named "Wood", then "Wood's" is correct. If someone is named "Woods", then "Woods'" is correct. However, if we're talking about a family named Wood, then it's "Woods'". It's also "Woods'" if we're talking about a family named "Woods", as the plurals don't get added together with the natural "s" ending. Thus, "Woods's" is always incorrect. The exception is "it". Here, the possessive has NO apostrophe: its. You see "it's", but that's a contraction of "it is", not the possessive form of "that belongs to it". btw, all of this is American usage. British usage is somewhat different, which may explain Shakespeare. In Britain, the apostrophe is dropped in some cases. For example, the name of a firm is often pluralized (pluralised) w/o the apostrophe. A company owned by someone named Wood would be Woods. If it were owned by someone named Woods, however, it would still just be Woods. The apostrophe is never used. In Shakespeare's time, rules for spelling, grammar, and usage were still informal and not universally followed. There were no comprehensive dictionaries of any language, let alone English (Samuel Johnson wrote the first one around 150 years after Shakespeare died). Spelling and usage are still changing today. As recently as the early 20th century, the British spelling for "connection" was "connexion", which has only recently fallen out of favor for the American spelling. |
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| SpecialK |
Mar 22 2005, 01:06 PM
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aircraft surgeon Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,211 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Pacific, MO Member No.: 1,797 |
Uhh...yeah....Tagalog.....never could understand those LBFM's. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Thanks Cap'n (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) P.S. - Way to go Miles, you blew your cover (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ph34r.gif) , so much for the witness relocation program! |
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| scruz914 |
Mar 22 2005, 03:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 815 Joined: 26-February 04 From: Santa Cruz, CA Member No.: 1,724 |
Not according to Strunk and White. Page 1, Rule 1, Form the possessive singular of nouns by adding 's. Charles's friend Burns's poem Joe Woods's 914 had so much rust he had no choice but to part it out. -Jeff |
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| Andyrew |
Mar 22 2005, 03:37 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,380 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Lol, thanks for all your help guys, Its been turned in..
Boy you guys get off topic fast (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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