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post Mar 22 2016, 11:46 AM
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I bought my /6 last year pretty much complete. Everything was well done. 911 suspension all around. 911 brakes all around including drum emergency brake on the rears. It appeared to be a "no costs spared" restoration.

Here is the detail on just the brakes: "Brake system was upgraded in many ways. Porsche 911E front struts were installed in order to handle Porsche 911S "A" calipers. New vented front and rear 911 brake rotors. All metal brake lines and rubber hoses were replaced. The rear brake calipers are rebuilt and come from a Porsche 911S. Factory spacer shims added to the rear "M" calipers to accommodate the vented rotors. A machined spacer was added to the inside of the new rotors to align the rotor centerline to the caliper centerline. New factory rear stub axles were purchased in Germany to complete the five mounting bolt wheel conversion. The parking brake system is now the Porsche 911 type brake shoes within the brake rotor design."

Last week I decided it was time to take the cars out of hibernation. The /6 was on top of the lift and the red flared car was under the lift. I got in the red car and noticed the WAS top was all but shattered. I pulled the car out of the garage and noticed it was wet. Apparently the master cylinder failed in the top car and emptied all the brake fluid into my drip pan, which eventually leaked.

Besides the WAS top getting demolished, we all know what brake fluid can do to paint. I took it to 2 different body shops and am waiting for estimates. So far for paint it will need the hood, right front fender, passenger door, windshield frame, rear fender and rear deck lid.

Today I got under the /6 and removed the 23mm master cylinder thinking the internal rubber seals had failed, but I don't think so. The grommets from the reservoir were damp. Upon removal I noticed neither of the grommets had the REQUIRED washer under them. I think it was just a lack of experience as to why they didn't get installed because they are 62 cents a piece at Stoddard (http://www.stoddard.com/90135593600.html). Why it failed over the Winter is a mystery as the temperature in the garage never gets below 45 degrees.

There are several lessons to be learned here.

#1 - If you don't know what you are doing don't do it, especially when it comes to brakes.

#2 - Bulletproof your drip trays if you are storing a car underneath another one...

#3 - Have good insurance even when stored in a garage.
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Ferg
post Mar 22 2016, 11:50 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Man that just sucks all the way around. Sorry Mike.
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post Mar 22 2016, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(Ferg @ Mar 22 2016, 11:50 AM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Man that just sucks all the way around. Sorry Mike.

Thanks Ferg. At least no one was hurt in brake failure... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Mar 22 2016, 12:13 PM
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Wow that is not Good....you'll getr done right !!
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post Mar 22 2016, 12:15 PM
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That's a bad day. I'm sorry.
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post Mar 22 2016, 12:19 PM
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That really does suck. I hope insurance is kind to you. On the positive side, like you said, at least no one got hurt.
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post Mar 22 2016, 12:47 PM
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Thanks Ferg. At least no one was hurt in brake failure... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


That's what I thought happened. Glad there's not a pic of a smashed red teener. Still sucks man. Sorry to hear that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) .
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post Mar 22 2016, 12:51 PM
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Thanks Ferg. At least no one was hurt in brake failure... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


That's what I thought happened. Glad there's not a pic of a smashed red teener. Still sucks man. Sorry to hear that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) .

Just a broken spirit - for the moment. New M/C going in right now - with WASHERS!
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post Mar 22 2016, 12:53 PM
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Man I can relate to coming out to the shop to find damage (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) . Sorry to hear it bud. Best of luck with the insurance stuff. I am sure they will take good care of you.
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post Mar 22 2016, 01:04 PM
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Man I can relate to coming out to the shop to find damage (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) . Sorry to hear it bud. Best of luck with the insurance stuff. I am sure they will take good care of you.

Jamie - I thought of you today when I was under the car "playing" with the fluid supply lines..........
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post Mar 22 2016, 01:15 PM
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I decided to do an overnight leak test before putting the M/C back in. I never got the "snap" when seating the line in the M/C.

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post Mar 22 2016, 02:08 PM
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Great idea- sure beats finding it out the hard way...
Almost tempted to play with an old m/c, threading inlets and running hard lines from a better vantage point. A single bubble flare might seat up just fine in the top bores. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
Again, sorry to hear that but it's better than a failure on the road.
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post Mar 22 2016, 02:10 PM
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Great idea- sure beats finding it out the hard way...
Almost tempted to play with an old m/c, threading inlets and running hard lines from a better vantage point. A single bubble flare might seat up just fine in the top bores. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
Again, sorry to hear that but it's better than a failure on the road.

Thanks - it will be fixed by Route 66 Classic.

This is the way it should be done. Not my picture (dlee I think) but I like the concept. 3/8" NPT if I remember correctly.

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Absolutely brutal. Sorry to hear Mike.
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post Mar 22 2016, 02:36 PM
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crapp...... so sorry this happened... that sucks!
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post Mar 22 2016, 02:41 PM
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I had the same thing happen to a 914 years ago, the fluid ate the seal for the windshield, glass came loose.
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post Mar 22 2016, 02:43 PM
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Oh man....that is just a shame. But, at least you weren't driving when it failed.
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post Mar 22 2016, 02:49 PM
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post Mar 22 2016, 02:51 PM
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Ugh....the only thing worse than hearing about the damage is hearing the cause. Sorry Mike! Like many have said, no one was hurt! Paint can be replaced...people can't!



At least you don't have to match the color of paint on the /6! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Sorry to hear this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I have a local customer I did a 930 for a few years back and he left the 930 under his 356 over the winter. Went in to check on them one day and found the carbs on the 356 had leaked gas all over the tail and 1/4 panel of the 930 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Fortunately I still had enough of the original paint mix left to fix it.

Anywhere the paint got wet needs to be stripped to bare metal. If the paint wrinkled/lifted, then the primer and bondo under the paint have absorbed the brake fluid, and it WILL show itself in the future. Most likely on a nice warm sunny day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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