What do the 9## mean?, Was there some madness to the numbering? Options

[Kerrys914]

Just curious (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

Why was the 911 call "911" and the 914 called "914" and the 944 called "944"...etc (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Hummm (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

Cheers

[Mueller]

'cause Mustang and Camero was already taken.....

why did your parents call you Kerry??

same thing, gotta have a name and I guess Porsche liked numbers (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

the 911 was originally a 901 until they got sued (and lost) by some Renault or one of those French manufactures

[bondo]

QUOTE (Mueller @ May 20 2005, 10:13 AM)

'cause Mustang and Camero was already taken..... why did your parents call you Kerry?? same thing, gotta have a name and I guess Porsche liked numbers (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) the 911 was originally a 901 until they got sued (and lost) by some Renault or one of those French manufactures

Peugeot! They had a trademark on all the car names with 3 numbers and a zero in the middle. (505, etc.) I guess it didn't apply to transmissions, because it kept the name. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

[jim912928]

From what I read...and I stress I only read this. The numbers designated project numbers...thus there was no direct meaning to the number other then the internal project number assigned to the model. Now, I also read that, for example, in the 911 range many models had different XX's but they kept the identifier of 911 to the public.

Anybody else hear this story?

[Mueller]

QUOTE (jim912928 @ May 20 2005, 10:20 AM)

From what I read...and I stress I only read this. The numbers designated project numbers...thus there was no direct meaning to the number other then the internal project number assigned to the model. Now, I also read that, for example, in the 911 range many models had different XX's but they kept the identifier of 911 to the public. Anybody else hear this story?

true....

911, standard
930, turbo 911
913, turbo look 911??

964, '89 to '94 911


etc...etc...

[Aaron Cox]

but why is a 956 the same as a 962? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)

i think....

[Mueller]

here is a list I found, not sure how accurate...it's obviously not complete:

900-series Porsche type numbers:

901: original 911 prototype
902: four speed transmission for 911
903: prototype automatic clutc for 911
904: glassfibre-bodied sports GT
905: sportomatic transmission
906: 1966 carrera 6 coupe
907: 1967 sports racing car
908: 1968-71 sports racing cars
909: 1968 experimental hillclimb car
910: 1967 sports racing car
911: gt road car w/ 6 cyl. engine
912: gt road car w/ 4 cyl. engine
913: not assigned...
914: vw-porsche mid engined road car
915: 5 sp. transmission for the 911
916: in 1967: double overhead camshaft, six cylinder engine; in 1968: 908 six speed gearbox; in 1972: mid engined six cilynder sports car
917: 1969 sports racing car
918: not known
919: not known
920: four speed transmission for the 917
921: not known
922: not known
923: six cylinder engine for 912 E (I really don´t get this one...)
924: 1976 2.0 litre four cylinder road car
925: sportomatic transmission for 911T/E
926: not known
927: not known
928: 4.5 litre v8 road car
929: not known
930: first generation 911 turbo
931: 924 turbo
932: 924 turbo (right hand drive)
933: not known
934: group 4 production racing car
935: group 5 gt racing car
936: 1976 sports prototype racing car
937: 1980 924 carrera gt
938: 1980 924 carrera gt (right hand drive)
939: 1980 924 carrera gt \"le mans\"

[Aaron Cox]

correction - 923

its a 915 trans from a 912E
901 input shaft in a 915 trans.

[Reiche]

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ May 20 2005, 10:30 AM)

but why is a 956 the same as a 962? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) i think....

962 had a longer wheelbase, so the driver's feet were behind the front axle line.

[Pnambic]

Here's an interesting list that I culled from here where they covered the same question a few years ago.

As Bondo mentioned, they say that Peugeot was able to enforce their patent on names of cars as marketed, but not the part numbers or project identifiers used internally.

For example, the 904 was apparently always officially marketed as a "Porsche Carrera GTS", though internally it was known by its project code of 904. History has stuck with 904.


MFG. NO. DESCRIIPTION
6
22 Auto Union Racer
60
64 10
64 64K-10
82 Kibelwagen
108 Tractor
110 Tractor
111 Tractor
112 Tractor
113 Tractor
133 Tractor
166 Schwimm Wagen
205 Maus Tank
208 Tractor
313 Tractor
323 Tractor
356 Convertible \"D\" (Drauz)
356
360 Cistilia Race Car
542 Porsche-Studebaker Project
550 A
550 RSK
550
556 Speedster
597 Jadwagen
695
716 356 Transmission
804 Formula 1
901 Original 911 Prototype
901
902 4 SPD. TRANSMISSION FOR THE 911
903 PROTOTYPE AUTO TRANSMISSION FOR 911
904 Elva-Porsche/Kangaroo Version
904 FRP Sports Racer
904
905 SPORTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
906 Carrera 6 Coupe Racer
906
907 Sports Race Car
907
908 68-71 Sports Race Car
908
909 1968 Experimental Hill Climb Car
909
910 1967 Sports Race Car
910
911 S Coupe-Targa
911 Weissach
911 SC Cabriolet
911 Speedster
911 RS America
911 S Coupe
911 Coupe-Targa
911 Carrera 3.0
911 SC Coupe & Targa
911 Clubsport
911 Coupe-Sportomatic
911 Cup
911 E
911 Mary Stewart
911 R
911 T
911 Turbo
911 Turbo Cabriolet
911 Turbo S
912 E
912 Coupe
912 Targa-Soft Top
913 Not Assigned
914 1.7
914 1.8
914 2
914 6
914 6
915 5 SPEED TRANSMISSION FOR 911
916
916 GT
916 1968 6 SPEED GEARBOX
916 1972 MID-ENGINED 6 CYLINDER SPORTS CAR
916 67 DOHC 6 CYLINDER ENGINE
916
916
916
917 1969 Sports Race Car
917 Spyder
917 20 (Pink Pig)
917 Porsche Racing Car \'Sau Berta\' (Pink Pig)
918 Not Assigned
918
918
919 Not Assigned
920 4 SPEED TRANSMISSION FOR 917
920 A 917 with a 16 cylinder 6.5 liter motor
921 Not Assigned
922 Not Assigned
923 6 CYLINDER ENGINE FOR 912E
924 Turbo, GT, GTS, GTR
924 S
924 Weissach
924
925 SPORTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FOR 911 T/E
926 Not Assigned
927 Not Assigned
928 4.5L V8 Sports Car
928 GT
928 S4
928 SE (English Market)
928 Weissach
928
928
929 Not Assigned
930 First Generation 911 Turbo
930 Slant Nose
930 Slantnose
930 Turbo
931 924 Turbo
932 924 Turbo (RHD)
933 Not Assigned
934 GR 4 Production Race Car
934
935 GR 5 Production Race Car
935 Moby Dick
935
936 1976 Sports Prototype Race Car
937 1980 924 Carrera GT
938 1980 924 Carrera GT (RHD)
939 1980 924 Carrera GT (LeMans)
940 Unknown
941 944 Convertible ??
942 4 door Coupe for Ferry Porsche
942 Unknown
943 Unknown
944 1982 2.5L 4 cylinder Road Car
944 Turbo
944 Turbo S
944 S Coupe
944 Club Sport
944 S2 Cabriolet
944
944
944 S2 Coupe
944 Coupe
945 1982 2.5L 4 cylinder Road Car (RHD)
946 Unknown
947 Unknown
948 Unknown
949 Unknown
950 Unknown
951 944 Turbo
951 944 Turbo
952 Unknown
953 4X4 Paris-Dakar Rally Car
954 911 SC/RS Raly Car
955 Cayenne
956 1982 Group C Prototype Race Car
956
957 Unknown
958 Unknown
959 1986 Limited Production Road Car
960 Unknown
961 1986 959 Racing Car
962 1984 Prototype GR C/Imsa Race Car
962
963 Unknown
964 Speedster
964 Carrera 4 Coupe
964 Carrera 2 Cab
964 Carrera 2 Coupe
964 Turbo S
965 1991 Model 964 bodied 911 Turbo
965
966 Cabriolet
966 Unknown
966
967 Unknown
968 1991 3.0 4cylinder Road Car
968 S2 Cabriolet
968 Club Sport
968 Coupe
969 Unknown
970 Unknown
971 Unknown
972 Unknown
973 Unknown
974 Unknown
975 Unknown
976 Unknown
977 Unknown
978 Unknown
979 Unknown
980 Unknown
980
981 Unknown
982 Unknown
983 Unknown
984 Unknown
985 Unknown
986 Boxster
986 Boxster S
987 Unknown
988 Unknown
989 Early 90\'s Ptototype 4 Seater
989
990 Unknown
991 Unknown
992 Unknown
993 Carrera 2 Cabriolet
993 Carrera S
993 Carrera 4S0
994 Unknown
995 Research Car
996 Anniversary Edition
996 C4 Coupe
996 C2 Cabriolet
996 C2 Coupe
996 C4 Cab
996 Turbo
996 C2 Targa
996 C4S
997
997
998 Unknown
999 Unknown
133S Snow Tractor
356 A Coupe and Cabriolet
356 A Speedster
356 B Karman Hardtop (Knotchback)
356 B Coupe and Cabriolet
356 B Roadster
356 C/SC Coupe and Cabriolet
356 Carrera Coupe, Cabriolet and Speedster, 1.5 and 1.6
356 Carrera 2
356 Carrera GS/GT Coupe and Cabriolet
356 Pre-A Coupe and Cabriolet
356 Pre-A Speedster
500? Assembled Mercedes E500
695/356 T7 901/911 Prototype
9PA Cayenne ???
E1 Cayenne
E1 Cayenne S
E1 Cayenne Turbo
PFM 3200 Porsche Flugzeug Motor
XXX America
XXX America Roadster
XXX Bergspyder
XXX Carrara GT
XXX Carrera
XXX Carrera Abarth
XXX Carrera GT
XXX Elva-Porsche
XXX Ferdinand
XXX Formula 2
XXX Glocker
XXX Gmund Coupe
XXX GT1
XXX GT2
XXX GT3
XXX GTR
XXX GTS
XXX Indy-Car
XXX Karmann
XXX Kurszheck
XXX Monte Carlo
XXX Murane
XXX Rally
XXX Rallye Turbo
XXX RS
XXX RS America
XXX RS LeMans
XXX RSA
XXX RSK
XXX RSR
XXX Spyder
XXX Targa
XXX Turbo Cup
XXX Turbo Martini
XXX Turbo RS
XXX Varrera

[bondo]

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ May 20 2005, 10:35 AM)

correction - 923 its a 915 trans from a 912E 901 input shaft in a 915 trans.

What? How is that possible? I thought the 915 had a different spacing between the mainshaft and pinion shaft, making all gearing fundamentally incompatible between the two.

[Mueller]

QUOTE (bondo @ May 20 2005, 10:41 AM)

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ May 20 2005, 10:35 AM) correction - 923 its a 915 trans from a 912E 901 input shaft in a 915 trans. What? How is that possible? I thought the 915 had a different spacing between the mainshaft and pinion shaft, making all gearing fundamentally incompatible between the two.

basicly it's a 915 that'll bolt up to a Type IV engine, I don't think the parts literally interchange

[davep]

They are design numbers, essentially. Porsche started with #7, so their first customer would think they already had experience. They had experience, but as part of other companies.

When the 911 was introduced, as the 901, there was a shift away from purely sequential design numbers. This was at a time when Porsche and VW had some joint ventures. When you look at VW part numbers at the time, the 9xx series was not used so Porsche started fresh with the 900 series numbers. Now the 900 numbers are general parts common to a lot of designs, things like fasteners. The first model specific parts are the 901 and 902.

The next question will be what happens as they run out of 9xx numbers. They have been using model names extensively recently in order to get away from simple numbers.

[Part Pricer]

QUOTE (davep @ May 20 2005, 01:52 PM)

The next question will be what happens as they run out of 9xx numbers. They have been using model names extensively recently in order to get away from simple numbers.

I thought it was because you cannot trademark a number. But, you can trademark a product name like GayMan...excuse me, Cayman.

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[bondo]

QUOTE (Mueller @ May 20 2005, 10:46 AM)

QUOTE (bondo @ May 20 2005, 10:41 AM) QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ May 20 2005, 10:35 AM) correction - 923 its a 915 trans from a 912E 901 input shaft in a 915 trans. What? How is that possible? I thought the 915 had a different spacing between the mainshaft and pinion shaft, making all gearing fundamentally incompatible between the two. basicly it's a 915 that'll bolt up to a Type IV engine, I don't think the parts literally interchange

Ooh, I get it. I definitely know it's not a 6 cylinder for a 912E.. then it would just be a 911. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

[michaelmoo]

They are still using numbers, 997, 987 (Boxster), 980 (Carrera GT), 955 (Cheyenne). But the new Cayman is internally a C7S, so the numbers might be over.

[davep]

QUOTE (Paul Heery @ May 20 2005, 09:55 AM)

I thought it was because you cannot trademark a number. But, you can trademark a product name like Cayman.

I thought that was why the 901 became a 911, trademark issues.

[Porsche Rescue]

Could it be that the 923 refers to the type IV four in a 912E. It is different from 914 2.0s because it has L-jet FI?

[SirAndy]

more corrections:
82 Kübelwagen, not Kibelwagen
597 Jagdwagen, not Jadwagen
360 Cisitalia Race Car, not Cistilia Race Car

completely missing:
P - the very first porsche!, V-16 motor, 4.36L, roots compressor, 295HP!

some more impressive details:
360 Cisitalia Race Car, build in 1949 for the italian Piero Dusio, 1.5L (yes, only one-point-five!), roots compressor, 12 cylinder boxer motor, 450 HP @ 10500 rpm!!! and 186.5 mph top speed!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

[DougC]

You guys never heard that the designation for the 911 was in relation to the number on the door to a department (that developed it) at the Porsche design facility? Maybe it was the 356 but I swear I read that in one of my Porsche books, I just assumed that the same was true for the 904,etc.

Doug C