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> Tire rubbing, Need to stretch the rear fender a little. But how?
HansJan
post Nov 11 2017, 07:58 AM
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Today I had new rear tires installed. A family member has this size tire on his 914-6, and it looks great. So I got the same. 225-50-16 on 7” rims.

They clear the fenders (which had been rolled by PO). Passenger side has plenty of clearance at 1/4”. Driver side not so much, just enough to slide a thin cardboard between tire and fender while bouncing on back of the car.
All is fine in a straight line. But Passenger side starts rubbing at right-hand turn.
See pictures below to spot the rubbing location (paint starts to blister a little).


Should I try to stretch the fender a little?
Or...
Is it possible to create some room by adding a shim to change the camber?

Thanks for letting me use the collective brainpower.


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mepstein
post Nov 11 2017, 08:41 AM
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Besides increasing camber, you can try a 2x4 on each side of the inner fender and a scissor jack in between. But remember, your moving metal away from other parts so it can crack paint and/or increase the door gap if you try to do too much.
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post Nov 11 2017, 09:33 AM
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post Nov 11 2017, 09:34 AM
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It is a well known problem that the 914's may be off side to side. Another option is to get a wheel arch roller. It bolts to hub and you gently roll back and forth stretching the arch open.
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post Nov 11 2017, 09:35 AM
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Buy 205 tires and save your paint
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post Nov 11 2017, 09:36 AM
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Try getting as much negative camber as you can. If it still a problem, roll fenders.
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post Nov 11 2017, 10:00 AM
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Buy 205 tires and save your paint


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post Nov 11 2017, 10:12 AM
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Roll the fenders with a fender roller! Heat the paint with a heat gun so it doesn't crack. Be careful with heat gun so the paint doesn't bubble. (keep it moving) It's really easy so don't be afraid to do it yourself. Just be patient while doing it and you'll be fine.
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post Nov 11 2017, 01:02 PM
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Update:
I have removed the shim, increasing negative camber.
This helped somewhat.
Additionally I streched the fender a little.
This helped somewhat as well.

There is about a 1/4” clearance now.

Testdrive will have to wait. But it looks promising.

Thanks to all off you.
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post Nov 11 2017, 01:16 PM
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Is tweaking camber really an acceptable way to make fender clearance? I get that it works, but I would think camber is a performance factor, not to mention tire wear pattern. Tweaking something that's functional to clear some tin doesn't sit right with me. We aren't talking inches here, just push the fender out a little. It's not going to need enough to affect gaps, it just needs a nudge.
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post Nov 11 2017, 01:41 PM
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That's a big tyre ,surprised there was any clearance @ all,I did max camber and pulled both sides a little with 205/50's.
Max negative camber helps and the result shouldn't cause too much excessive inner tyre wear ,in my case its no really excessive and I'am running no shims at all.
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QUOTE(porschetub @ Nov 11 2017, 04:41 PM) *

That's a big tyre ,surprised there was any clearance @ all,I did max camber and pulled both sides a little with 205/50's.
Max negative camber helps and the result shouldn't cause too much excessive inner tyre wear ,in my case its no really excessive and I'am running no shims at all.


I suspect that fender has been pulled a bit prior to this. I’ve never had a tire wear problem and I’ve run maximum negative camber since forever. As you go in to corners, you gain camber. This is where your rubbing is coming from. As the tire moves to positive in corners, your gap which is good when static becomes 0 And rubs. Max negative camber in my experience in a 914 is just a bit > 2*. We aren’t talking about stupid “stance” look. You can tell, but it isn’t ridiculous. Handling, with the right tire and tire pressure is dramatically improved. That isn’t a bad thing, since these are momentum cars for the most part. You can also raise the rear a turn if you have coil overs.
I have a problem with fender pulls. Camber can easily be reversed. That tire and wheel combo can be changed. Reversing a fender pull, not so much. We need to start treating these cars like they are valuable because they are.
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post Nov 11 2017, 02:30 PM
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If you are talking about a fender pull that puts things in balance, is that a change to the value? If one side is off from the other, is balancing a gap a sin? (I mean this as a sincere question).

You changed your fenders to GT flares. Does that qualify as a fender pull?

I don't think nudging a fender 1/8" should be a "problem." Especially if it balances things out with the other side.

No way in hell should you have to adjust suspension geometry to adjust for a tiny gap in the body that can be quickly pushed out to balance with the other side with no visible effect.
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post Nov 11 2017, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(JOEPROPER @ Nov 11 2017, 08:12 AM) *

Roll the fenders with a fender roller! Heat the paint with a heat gun so it doesn't crack. Be careful with heat gun so the paint doesn't bubble. (keep it moving) It's really easy so don't be afraid to do it yourself. Just be patient while doing it and you'll be fine.


I have 16 inch by 7 inch wheels that I think might have decorated a 944 at one time. 205 tires rubbed until I bought one of the fender stretchers that bolt on the wheel. Bought it on ebay and of course it didn't fit and I had to drill it. Cracked the paint, but it worked. The only side view I have isn't so great, but here is how it turned out. I wanted my six conversion to look like the 1.7 it started as.
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post Nov 12 2017, 09:53 PM
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The saga continues.
To make the camber the same on both sides, I started to remove the shim on the passenger side. Only to find that, on this side, the new tire has been rubbing on the inner side of the fender. (See pic)
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Needless to say that I just walked away. How can there be such a difference from one side to another? (Not really a question)


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post Nov 12 2017, 09:59 PM
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6” wheels with 205x60x15 work great on a stock body car. To make your combo work, you have to make some pretty strong adjustments to the fender, go down a size in tires or add flares.
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post Nov 12 2017, 10:12 PM
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Also:We need to start treating these cars like they are valuable because they are.

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post Nov 12 2017, 11:19 PM
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My reply @ one stage was it was thats a large tyre for a narrow body ???.
A 205/50/16 offered a good footprint on the road besides something, like 8.1inches more than enough unless you have HUGE horsepower.
You are trying to reinvent something that won't work...no intent to be rude but that the facts.
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