Tire rubbing, Need to stretch the rear fender a little. But how? |
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Tire rubbing, Need to stretch the rear fender a little. But how? |
HansJan |
Nov 11 2017, 07:58 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 395 Joined: 5-April 16 From: Sugar Land TX Member No.: 19,860 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Today I had new rear tires installed. A family member has this size tire on his 914-6, and it looks great. So I got the same. 225-50-16 on 7” rims.
They clear the fenders (which had been rolled by PO). Passenger side has plenty of clearance at 1/4”. Driver side not so much, just enough to slide a thin cardboard between tire and fender while bouncing on back of the car. All is fine in a straight line. But Passenger side starts rubbing at right-hand turn. See pictures below to spot the rubbing location (paint starts to blister a little). Should I try to stretch the fender a little? Or... Is it possible to create some room by adding a shim to change the camber? Thanks for letting me use the collective brainpower. Attached thumbnail(s) |
mepstein |
Nov 11 2017, 08:41 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,305 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Besides increasing camber, you can try a 2x4 on each side of the inner fender and a scissor jack in between. But remember, your moving metal away from other parts so it can crack paint and/or increase the door gap if you try to do too much.
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sb914 |
Nov 11 2017, 09:33 AM
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Surf Guru Group: Members Posts: 4,314 Joined: 25-November 12 From: Brookings,Oregon Member No.: 15,191 Region Association: Southern California |
Baseball bat
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914Sixer |
Nov 11 2017, 09:34 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,897 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
It is a well known problem that the 914's may be off side to side. Another option is to get a wheel arch roller. It bolts to hub and you gently roll back and forth stretching the arch open.
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brant |
Nov 11 2017, 09:35 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,632 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Buy 205 tires and save your paint
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ConeDodger |
Nov 11 2017, 09:36 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,605 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
Try getting as much negative camber as you can. If it still a problem, roll fenders.
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GaroldShaffer |
Nov 11 2017, 10:00 AM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,623 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None |
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JOEPROPER |
Nov 11 2017, 10:12 AM
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The answer is "no" unless you ask... Group: Members Posts: 1,184 Joined: 21-November 15 From: White Plains New York Member No.: 19,387 Region Association: North East States |
Roll the fenders with a fender roller! Heat the paint with a heat gun so it doesn't crack. Be careful with heat gun so the paint doesn't bubble. (keep it moving) It's really easy so don't be afraid to do it yourself. Just be patient while doing it and you'll be fine.
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matthepcat |
Nov 11 2017, 11:08 AM
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Meat Popsicle Group: Members Posts: 1,462 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Saratoga CA Member No.: 11,125 Region Association: Northern California |
Google the “phone book method” lol
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HansJan |
Nov 11 2017, 01:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 395 Joined: 5-April 16 From: Sugar Land TX Member No.: 19,860 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Update:
I have removed the shim, increasing negative camber. This helped somewhat. Additionally I streched the fender a little. This helped somewhat as well. There is about a 1/4” clearance now. Testdrive will have to wait. But it looks promising. Thanks to all off you. |
Rand |
Nov 11 2017, 01:16 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Is tweaking camber really an acceptable way to make fender clearance? I get that it works, but I would think camber is a performance factor, not to mention tire wear pattern. Tweaking something that's functional to clear some tin doesn't sit right with me. We aren't talking inches here, just push the fender out a little. It's not going to need enough to affect gaps, it just needs a nudge.
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porschetub |
Nov 11 2017, 01:41 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,703 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
That's a big tyre ,surprised there was any clearance @ all,I did max camber and pulled both sides a little with 205/50's.
Max negative camber helps and the result shouldn't cause too much excessive inner tyre wear ,in my case its no really excessive and I'am running no shims at all. |
ConeDodger |
Nov 11 2017, 02:09 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,605 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
That's a big tyre ,surprised there was any clearance @ all,I did max camber and pulled both sides a little with 205/50's. Max negative camber helps and the result shouldn't cause too much excessive inner tyre wear ,in my case its no really excessive and I'am running no shims at all. I suspect that fender has been pulled a bit prior to this. I’ve never had a tire wear problem and I’ve run maximum negative camber since forever. As you go in to corners, you gain camber. This is where your rubbing is coming from. As the tire moves to positive in corners, your gap which is good when static becomes 0 And rubs. Max negative camber in my experience in a 914 is just a bit > 2*. We aren’t talking about stupid “stance” look. You can tell, but it isn’t ridiculous. Handling, with the right tire and tire pressure is dramatically improved. That isn’t a bad thing, since these are momentum cars for the most part. You can also raise the rear a turn if you have coil overs. I have a problem with fender pulls. Camber can easily be reversed. That tire and wheel combo can be changed. Reversing a fender pull, not so much. We need to start treating these cars like they are valuable because they are. |
Rand |
Nov 11 2017, 02:30 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
If you are talking about a fender pull that puts things in balance, is that a change to the value? If one side is off from the other, is balancing a gap a sin? (I mean this as a sincere question).
You changed your fenders to GT flares. Does that qualify as a fender pull? I don't think nudging a fender 1/8" should be a "problem." Especially if it balances things out with the other side. No way in hell should you have to adjust suspension geometry to adjust for a tiny gap in the body that can be quickly pushed out to balance with the other side with no visible effect. |
worn |
Nov 11 2017, 02:31 PM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,156 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Roll the fenders with a fender roller! Heat the paint with a heat gun so it doesn't crack. Be careful with heat gun so the paint doesn't bubble. (keep it moving) It's really easy so don't be afraid to do it yourself. Just be patient while doing it and you'll be fine. I have 16 inch by 7 inch wheels that I think might have decorated a 944 at one time. 205 tires rubbed until I bought one of the fender stretchers that bolt on the wheel. Bought it on ebay and of course it didn't fit and I had to drill it. Cracked the paint, but it worked. The only side view I have isn't so great, but here is how it turned out. I wanted my six conversion to look like the 1.7 it started as. |
HansJan |
Nov 12 2017, 09:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 395 Joined: 5-April 16 From: Sugar Land TX Member No.: 19,860 Region Association: Southwest Region |
The saga continues.
To make the camber the same on both sides, I started to remove the shim on the passenger side. Only to find that, on this side, the new tire has been rubbing on the inner side of the fender. (See pic) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Needless to say that I just walked away. How can there be such a difference from one side to another? (Not really a question) Attached thumbnail(s) |
mepstein |
Nov 12 2017, 09:59 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,305 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
6” wheels with 205x60x15 work great on a stock body car. To make your combo work, you have to make some pretty strong adjustments to the fender, go down a size in tires or add flares.
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Larmo63 |
Nov 12 2017, 10:12 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
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Also:We need to start treating these cars like they are valuable because they are. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
porschetub |
Nov 12 2017, 11:19 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,703 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
My reply @ one stage was it was thats a large tyre for a narrow body ???.
A 205/50/16 offered a good footprint on the road besides something, like 8.1inches more than enough unless you have HUGE horsepower. You are trying to reinvent something that won't work...no intent to be rude but that the facts. |
turbonet |
Nov 13 2017, 12:06 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 14-September 16 From: Vancouver Member No.: 20,398 Region Association: Canada |
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