The 996 the new 914, Interesting Article. Never thought I'd see the day Options

[914_teener]

Interesting article.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/bu...be-collectible/


Never thought I'd see a 914 worth more than a 911....but that day has come.

Although initially I didn't buy my teener for appreciation value.

[76-914]

Good article but I think the author's compliments were left handed at best. He just could not bring himself to lay any praise on the 914 other than its rising value. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Unobtanium-inc]

A friend who works for Porsche said around the water cooler the 996 is the car the accountant's built.
There was one at my local shop recently, the guy paid $15,000, thought he was the smartest guy in the world, when I left his bill had reached $7000 and was climbing, for normal wear stuff, nothing big. So he is already over $20,000 for a car worth about $15,000. But money aside, before I bought my 993 I was looking at 996's, I drove one that one was town over, it was very underwhelming, it reminded me of driving a Mistubishi 3000, yeah the gauges were moving, but it had no soul. Now a 993, that's a Porsche, and you feel it and hear it.
And a 914, I love driving a 914, you can feel everything.

[mepstein]

When I first saw the 996, I thought it was a new Toyota. It’s underwhelming for a Porsche in every category.

[914_teener]

Good article but I think the author's compliments were left handed at best. He just could not bring himself to lay any praise on the 914 other than its rising value. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Yes...I'd agree...definitely left handed but probably ultimately correct.


With my latest purchase of a 987.1, who cares. If I get 13K worth of fun with air conditioning...with the sound of a flat six behind you, it's all grins. It can grenade tomorrow and I'll still be happy.

It's still less than 20k for a well done conversion in the teener.

It's all realative I suppose...it struck me though and made me laugh a little after all those years of snub noses with a NARP. In part...you get that with a 987 and the ass dragger crowd.

Some things will never change.

[JmuRiz]

When I first saw the 996, I thought it was a new Toyota. It’s underwhelming for a Porsche in every category.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.ytimg.com-50-1541452188.1.jpg)
Grounded to the ground (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[BuddyV]

I must be the only person who actually LIKES the 996 headlights. I find the shape interesting from a design perspective.

Is oval really that great? I mean, they defintely look better on older 911's..... but I found the new shape refreshing on the 996.

No?

I don't get it.

Hmmm...... maybe I should look into buying one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Big Len]

The author writes, "These cars were about 15 years old back when I was in high school, and could be had in good condition for three or four grand. In a straight line, they were easy meat for a 2.8-liter Chevrolet Citation; in a corner, they were prone to behavior that was by turns fascinating and terrifying. The smart money bought an old BMW 2002, which could also be had dirt cheap and which would blow the proverbial doors off the VoPo".

The same could be said of that 356 he values so highly in the previous paragraph.

[914_teener]

The author writes, "These cars were about 15 years old back when I was in high school, and could be had in good condition for three or four grand. In a straight line, they were easy meat for a 2.8-liter Chevrolet Citation; in a corner, they were prone to behavior that was by turns fascinating and terrifying. The smart money bought an old BMW 2002, which could also be had dirt cheap and which would blow the proverbial doors off the VoPo".

The same could be said of that 356 he values so highly in the previous paragraph.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) Well put.

[914_teener]

[quote name='914_teener' date='Nov 5 2018, 02:02 PM' post='2663416']
[quote name='Big Len' post='2663415' date='Nov 5 2018, 01:51 PM']
The author writes, "These cars were about 15 years old back when I was in high school, and could be had in good condition for three or four grand. In a straight line, they were easy meat for a 2.8-liter Chevrolet Citation; in a corner, they were prone to behavior that was by turns fascinating and terrifying. The smart money bought an old BMW 2002, which could also be had dirt cheap and which would blow the proverbial doors off the VoPo".

The same could be said of that 356 he values so highly in the previous paragraph.
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) Well put. Proof that every bit of writing is biased towards the writers judgement or opinion.

Fact remains...996's can be had for less than a really nice 914.

[Mueller]

I like the 996, if I had the space (and money) I'd like to build a narrow body C4 and trick it out like the 996 GT3 and lighten it up.

[Unobtanium-inc]

The author writes, "These cars were about 15 years old back when I was in high school, and could be had in good condition for three or four grand. In a straight line, they were easy meat for a 2.8-liter Chevrolet Citation; in a corner, they were prone to behavior that was by turns fascinating and terrifying. The smart money bought an old BMW 2002, which could also be had dirt cheap and which would blow the proverbial doors off the VoPo".

The same could be said of that 356 he values so highly in the previous paragraph.

The key difference is quantity. People tend to use 356 ups and downs in comparison to other Porsches except they forget that while 356's did go through a long low point in the 70s, before rising in the 80s, and then again in the mid 2000's, the quantities were always low, so a small rise in demand can cause a spike in pricing. The 356 market is much easier to have wild jumps because of this shortage of supply. They made thousands of 996's. This is one reason why it has taken so long for the 914 to rise in value, with over 100,000 being made it means that for decades there was always enough to satisfy demand. Evidence of this is the fact that many 914 guys have not one, but two or three 914's, meaning the supply is far out-striping demand. And only now the nice 914's are commanding real money, but the projects and the turd box drivers are still under $5000. I paid $1500 for my autocross car, running and driving. I could probably double my money but that's about it.
So the 996 supply will for a long time be able to meet demand for people who want a high maintenance car and are willing to feed the pig for a car that tends to underwhelm Porsche guys on the whole. So buy one if you like it, but don't expect to make a lot of money on one.

[Mark Henry]

Read some of the authors other articles, he's a total fuching douche.
He even calls his wife "Danger Girl" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[JamesM]

Good article but I think the author's compliments were left handed at best. He just could not bring himself to lay any praise on the 914 other than its rising value. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I couldn't comment on this, my brain does this thing to save time where I stop reading as soon as I encounter blatant stupidity. I didn't make it past "Vanagon-engined misery-mobile"

Last I checked my math the 914 predated the Vangon by 10 years, and the majority of Vanagons were water cooled.

Why is the internet filled with so much stupid?

[Mueller]

Good article but I think the author's compliments were left handed at best. He just could not bring himself to lay any praise on the 914 other than its rising value. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I couldn't comment on this, my brain does this thing to save time where I stop reading as soon as I encounter blatant stupidity. I didn't make it past "Vanagon-engined misery-mobile"

Last I checked my math the 914 predated the Vangon by 10 years, and the majority of Vanagons were water cooled.

Why is the internet filled with so much stupid?

and to think he gets paid for this? They must not have had many applicants when that position was open.

[914_teener]

Good article but I think the author's compliments were left handed at best. He just could not bring himself to lay any praise on the 914 other than its rising value. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I couldn't comment on this, my brain does this thing to save time where I stop reading as soon as I encounter blatant stupidity. I didn't make it past "Vanagon-engined misery-mobile"

Last I checked my math the 914 predated the Vangon by 10 years, and the majority of Vanagons were water cooled.

Why is the internet filled with so much stupid?

Different point......but a good one. I only posted it for amusement as I knew somebody here would catch that.

The existence of stupidity is an existential question which I posted in the Sand Box entitled what is a fact, an opinion and judgement. Seemingly many people fail to get the subtle differences.

Back on the subject James. Do you like the 996 headlights though?

[Larmo63]

I read the "Vanagon-engined misery-mobile" comment and rolled my eyes.

Some things he got right, some things he got very wrong.

[pete000]

The 996 is a disposable car, buy it cheap and when it dies toss it...

[horizontally-opposed]

Years ago, a Guards Red/black 993 Carrera S 6MT came through Excellence. Had if for a week, and liked it a lot. And there was a lot of like...styling, connection to what we love about earlier air-cooled 911s, useful torque, good sounds, pretty nice shifter (for back then), and then all the stuff that seemed like a quantum leap from my 914—air-conditioning, power windows and locks, power seats, etc.

Not too many months later, a Guards Red/black 996 Carrera 2 6MT came through Excellence, and I spent a few days in that. The air-cooled diehards were busy panning the 996, mainly citing the 993's styling, build quality, materials quality, tradition, etc as superior (and those are hard points to argue), I had to say that the 996 put it on the trailer if the drive was what mattered. Down the same roads, the 993 was very much the compromise that it was...a car continually refined—and VERY well developed—from 1964 to 1998 (the upside) stuck on a wheelbase and chassis that dated to...1964. In terms of the driving, the 996 felt like what they'd make from all those lessons with a clean sheet. The handling was flat superior, with a lighter helm that filtered out the white noise while leaving me with what I needed to carve up a road. The whole car felt lighter, more agile. The 3.4 was elastic, pulled harder, and sounded better (to me) than the workaday, torquey 3.6 in the 993, the shifter was better, and the brakes were better too. More comfortable on the freeway, and offered VASTLY better HVAC. Sure, you could see where they saved the money (um, no glovebox...really?), and the interior quality was spotty at best, but the driving position was better and the 996 was...to me, if I put what I was "supposed to like" aside...more fun to drive than the 993. I still have a soft spot for early 996 C2s—I prefer the 986 headlights to the later ones, and the 3.4 to the 3.6, and the handling of the 1999-2001 C2 to the handling of the 2002-2004 C2.

Don't get me wrong. I love 993s. But I don't get the 996 hate. The only thing that makes me nervous in recommending them is the engine, which is an overblown subject in my view—but if you get stung, it huuuuuurts.

[JmuRiz]

I’ll go on record as one that likes the 996.2 cars...wish I could afford a GT3 and have been daydreaming of a 996.2 turbo as a family GT car (I just can’t justify spending money with other projects in the works)