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| Brando |
 Jun 26 2005, 02:17 AM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!!  Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California  |
Today I finished the installation of my 22mm swaybar. Compared to having no swaybard it was a difference of night and day. The wheels don't judder around uncontrollably on roads or the freeway. The front end is stabalized and balanced and incredibly hard to deflect. All in all the total for extra parts and the swaybar(s), this was a $210 job. Pretty good deal and now I should shave 3 or 4 seconds off my track times. There is a bit of oversteer with a bar this big, but that should go away with my stock rear bar.
My car is now fun, all over again. It is 100% Mo-Betta™ certifiable. I have to re-learn how to drive the car and re-learn the limitations of my abilities in a car that handles better. This should be awesome (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) And most importantly, I want to give a couple of big thank-yous to scott kline, Aaron and Thomas. Without you guys it never would have happened. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) |
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| ArtechnikA |
Jun 26 2005, 03:02 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
understeer... |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 26 2005, 03:13 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,671 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
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| Brando |
Jun 26 2005, 11:17 AM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
I thought...
Oversteer = when the front end turns in quicker than the rear end and you lose traction. Understeer = when the rear end overtakes the front end and you lose traction. It's the other way around? |
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| redshift |
Jun 26 2005, 11:19 AM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
Over is when it's tail happy, and Under is when it plows.
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| Allan |
Jun 26 2005, 11:45 AM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
Does adding the rear bar help correct the under steer?
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| Mueller |
Jun 26 2005, 11:50 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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yes.....so does changing spring rates in the rear (heavier) |
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| Allan |
Jun 26 2005, 11:55 AM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
Cool, I'm doing both...
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| redshift |
Jun 26 2005, 11:57 AM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
Heavy springs, and an adjustable rear bar.
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| Aaron Cox |
Jun 26 2005, 11:57 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
allan.... drive my car 23 mm front bar, stock rear bar with 180's (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) |
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| Mueller |
Jun 26 2005, 11:58 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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it's all about balance...you cannot stiffen one end without doing the same to the other (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) i will say it's always safer to make the front end stiffer than the just rear....you never want to run just a rear bar and no front bar or heavy rear springs without a front bar or upgraded front torsion bars....you want the front stiffer one way or another at least even with the rear... |
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| lapuwali |
Jun 26 2005, 11:59 AM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
What you've described, Brando, is basically oversteer in both cases.
Understeer is when you turn and the car keeps going straight, so you have to turn more (and slow down). Front-drivers tend to understeer badly, and most cars understeer at least some. Oversteer is when the back starts to "come around", and you have to back off on the steering, or perhaps even steer the opposite way ("opposite lock"). Powerful rear-drive cars often oversteer off-corner under power, and tail draggers tend to oversteer in mid-corner when you go in too hot and lift off. |
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| Allan |
Jun 26 2005, 12:30 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
I'll end up with 23mm front, stock rear and 140 lb. springs. I wonder if the springs are gonna be stiff enough... |
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