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P-A Dealership repair times |
JeffBowlsby |
Feb 15 2021, 07:08 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,524 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
I have this cool P-A dealership book from 1973 that indicates suggested repair times aimed primarily at dealership repairs and warranty work. Covers every assembly on the car. This would be a great resource for you guys who wrench on 914s for a living. Was reviewing this today and noted the following times in minutes for the 914/4 (it also indicates times for the 914/6):
360 Remove and reinstall engine and transaxle (incl disconnect/reconnect wiring, control cables, hoses, drive shafts, disconnect/reconnect transaxle from/to engine, check/adjust dwell, timing and idle. 30 Check complete fuel injection (uses VW tester and includes ECU R/R) 70 R/R all four injectors 240 Replace alternator (with engine installed) 220 R/R transaxle (with engine installed, incl. R/R muffler I am pretty sure I can beat at least some of their times, how about you? Whats your guess on how long it says it takes to replace the main wiring? (chassis harness) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t2.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) |
Tom_T |
Feb 15 2021, 07:18 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
I think it was +/- 40 hours or so.
That binder was known as "The Billing Bible" at some of the SoCal P+A dealerships back in the day Jeff! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
Chris914n6 |
Feb 15 2021, 08:50 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,328 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
And people wonder why 914s never get finished (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
I'd love a pdf if you have time. It would be fun to look thru. |
fixer34 |
Feb 15 2021, 09:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,085 Joined: 16-September 14 From: Chicago area Member No.: 17,908 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I would like to know the time to adjust valves in a factory -6. Did that include 'cooling off' time since they weren't supposed to be done hot.
Think that goes for the -4's also. |
JeffBowlsby |
Feb 15 2021, 09:30 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,524 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
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JeffBowlsby |
Feb 15 2021, 09:32 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,524 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
I think it was +/- 40 hours or so. That binder was known as "The Billing Bible" at some of the SoCal P+A dealerships back in the day Jeff! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// Too high Tom. To swap the chassis harness is 20 hours time. |
ClayPerrine |
Feb 17 2021, 10:20 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,502 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
I have this cool P-A dealership book from 1973 that indicates suggested repair times aimed primarily at dealership repairs and warranty work. Covers every assembly on the car. This would be a great resource for you guys who wrench on 914s for a living. Was reviewing this today and noted the following times in minutes for the 914/4 (it also indicates times for the 914/6): 360 Remove and reinstall engine and transaxle (incl disconnect/reconnect wiring, control cables, hoses, drive shafts, disconnect/reconnect transaxle from/to engine, check/adjust dwell, timing and idle. 30 Check complete fuel injection (uses VW tester and includes ECU R/R) 70 R/R all four injectors 240 Replace alternator (with engine installed) 220 R/R transaxle (with engine installed, incl. R/R muffler I am pretty sure I can beat at least some of their times, how about you? Whats your guess on how long it says it takes to replace the main wiring? (chassis harness) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t2.gif) 360... what does that mean? Is it hours or minutes? Clay |
JeffBowlsby |
Feb 17 2021, 11:00 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,524 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
I have this cool P-A dealership book from 1973 that indicates suggested repair times aimed primarily at dealership repairs and warranty work. Covers every assembly on the car. This would be a great resource for you guys who wrench on 914s for a living. Was reviewing this today and noted the following times in minutes[size=7] for the 914/4 (it also indicates times for the 914/6): 360 Remove and reinstall engine and transaxle (incl disconnect/reconnect wiring, control cables, hoses, drive shafts, disconnect/reconnect transaxle from/to engine, check/adjust dwell, timing and idle. 30 Check complete fuel injection (uses VW tester and includes ECU R/R) 70 R/R all four injectors 240 Replace alternator (with engine installed) 220 R/R transaxle (with engine installed, incl. R/R muffler I am pretty sure I can beat at least some of their times, how about you? Whats your guess on how long it says it takes to replace the main wiring? (chassis harness) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t2.gif) 360... what does that mean? Is it hours or minutes? Clay |
ClayPerrine |
Feb 17 2021, 11:34 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,502 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Damn.. can't believe I missed the "in minutes" in your post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
6 hours to remove and reinstall the motor and trans? I can easily beat that. I can have the motor/trans out of the car in 30 minutes. And I can put it back in about an hour. Maybe 90 minutes if I take my time. I can change a clutch in about 90 minutes too. But I am a retired pro mechanic. Beating the book was how I made my living for years. Clay |
JeffBowlsby |
Feb 17 2021, 12:26 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,524 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Clay, how long would it take you to do a valve adjustment on a /4 and /6?
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ClayPerrine |
Feb 17 2021, 01:05 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,502 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
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JeffBowlsby |
Feb 17 2021, 01:39 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,524 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
HA! For a valve adjust the Book says:
120 minutes for a /4 (R/R valve covers [duh?], replace gaskets "if necessary") 290 minutes for a /6 (incl R/R heat exchangers) |
ejm |
Feb 17 2021, 02:44 PM
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I can see the light at the end of the tunnel Group: Members Posts: 2,692 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 224 Region Association: None |
Volkswagen/Porsche/Audi has always used “time units – tu” for suggested repair times. There are 100 time units in an hour. So 25tu is 15 minutes and 100tu is an hour. So 360 time units to R&R an engine is just over 3 ½ hours.
And no they didn't allow cool down time so you would pop the valve covers first thing once on the lift and do the valve adjust last. Hopefully there was enough other work on the ticket that the engine cooled. |
johnhora |
Feb 17 2021, 03:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 866 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Derby City KY Member No.: 107 Region Association: None |
Thanks Ed....now the timing numbers make sense
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JeffBowlsby |
Feb 17 2021, 04:16 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,524 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
There is no indication in this book of what units the stated times are in. I don't doubt you Ed, it just seems like an odd way to measure time. The entire world is on the 60-minute hour, 24 hours/day standard. Using tu:
1.2 hrs for a /4 valve adjust seems tight, even Clay P would be challenged to do it that fast. 1200 tu for a chassis harness swap is 12 hours. Its a rarely done procedure so its hard to verify. 0.3 hrs to check the fuel injection even with the tester seems unlikely. I have the tester and know how to use it. 18 minutes would be nearly impossible with all that is involved. |
rudedude |
Feb 17 2021, 04:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 510 Joined: 1-January 05 From: minneapolis, mn Member No.: 3,387 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
How about an alternator change in a /6?
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ClayPerrine |
Feb 17 2021, 04:55 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,502 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
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JeffBowlsby |
Feb 17 2021, 06:08 PM
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