OT: Bosch Kitchen Ovens, Pieces Of Junk Options

[windforfun]

They're overpriced pieces of shit that even Bosch can't repair. Don't buy one.

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[fixer34]

Can't speak for Bosch, but I'm leery of any of the newer ones that are more complex to operate than my computer(s)...
Should be no more than 3 button pushes to turn it on and set a temperature...
Maybe 3 more to set the timer...

[914Sixer]

Bosch washers and dryers are NOT any better. Bought extended warranty.
They repaired washer 3 times (motherboard) and fixed the dryer 5 times. After warranty ran out, I fixed dryer 2 times and washer 3 times. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

[wonkipop]

been specifying electrical goods for my houses for 30+ years.

one word. miele.

next peg down. asko.

then the rest, despite the german or italian names.
when it comes to that middle tier - the NZ brand fischer paykell is the equal of any of them at a lower price.

for domestic refridgeration. #1 = liebherr.

you get what you pay for?


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i have clients who still have their 25 year old miele washing machines, dishwashers and ovens still going strong.

in the few jobs where clients over-rode the spec and advice to choose other brands, the installed appliances bit the dust in less than 10 years. then i get called back to design adaptions for joinery to accomodate replacement items. all a waste of my time and their money.

[wonkipop]

ps

and if you are in the market for washing machines.
the one remarkable brand that seemed to offer a lower price combined with extraordinary longetivity and reliability was LG.
but i cannot vouch for them now.
i have two clients with 20 year old LG washer dryers. still going strong.
and i have one that i bought for myself at the same time.
its drain pump failed and i replaced it. was easier than working on a 914.
the machine lasted exactly 18 years before the pump finally failed.
and i caused it to happen. a 20 cent coin somehow managed to get down the drain hose and into the pump. caused the pump axle to fail under the suction load it induced.
not bad stuff as i had the machine apart and inspected its interior.
actually beautifully built for a washing machine. good as the germans.
korean.

dunno what the equipment is like 2 decades later. none of my clients are installing them.
the swedish brand asko seems to be the new go to for dishwashers. very well made.

miele still make a basic oven without all the push buttons programming functions etc for the sake of @fixer34 . know what you mean. any decent cook only needs three things.
a temp gauge that is accurate, an oven that holds heat and is well insulated and a timer.
period. the rest of it is b.s. the basic miele model is still more or less that thing.

[914sgofast2]

When we moved into our house 12 years ago, we bought a new Bosch dishwasher which is still going strong. We also bought a new LG refrigerator which turned out to be piece of junk which expired one year after the major warranty ran out. It still had a limited warranty on the compressor as the result of a consumer class action lawsuit settlement, but the labor cost to repair/replace the compressor and recharge the freon system was over half the cost of a brand new fridge, so it wasn't worth fixing.

[wonkipop]

When we moved into our house 12 years ago, we bought a new Bosch dishwasher which is still going strong. We also bought a new LG refrigerator which turned out to be piece of junk which expired one year after the major warranty ran out. It still had a limited warranty on the compressor as the result of a consumer class action lawsuit settlement, but the labor cost to repair/replace the compressor and recharge the freon system was over half the cost of a brand new fridge, so it wasn't worth fixing.

yeah, its all over the place with brands.
refridgeration is an interesting one.
not many of them seem to do a good job.
i think the story with the LG washer dryers was they were actually all japanese tech.
and date from when they were entering the market.
probably all de-speced these days. often happens.

a lot of the old US brands like westinghouse were still pretty good in refridgeration 20 years ago but have kind of disappeared, from the market down here at least.

fischer and paykel dominate in the mainstream refridgerator market down here.
and their fridges are good. generally speaking. haven't heard a bad word.
their dishwashers seem to have a very troubled reputation.
it depends where they source electrical components.

i recall a brand called Smeg who were very popular down here back in the 90s.
the crap lasted about 5 years if you were lucky. a lot of it went down after 18 months.
they nose dived.

a lot of brands are also just rebranded objects from major manufacturers in order that companies can appear to offer a complete range of appliances all with the one brand name. but are in fact from different companies and different factories in different countries.

as far as i am aware only miele truly manufacture all their own stuff across the full range of appliances - with the exception of refridgerators which they never traditionally did or were involved with.

[Unobtanium-inc]

I recently chucked a 2 year old BOSCH dishwasher in the garbage. But guess what, BOSCH isn't BOSCH. I called an BOSCH authorized place out to fix it, they said the one I bought at LOWE's isn't really a BOSCH, and they wouldn't touch it, can't get parts for it, etc.
Brand names mean nothing anymore, much like the John Deere snowblower I bought at a big box store. It was just stickered John Deere and painted in green/yellow. Wasn't really a Deere at all, and it showed when it broke the first year.

Everyone will sell their name for quick money now.

[mepstein]

We just buy normal brands from the big box stores and they seem to last long enough that when they need replacement, I’m not unhappy. Other than replacing a belt and bushing on our dryer ($35 & 45 minutes) I haven’t repaired or replaced an appliance in years. LG, Samsung, Maytag, etc. Nothing high end. One of our recently replaced hvac has taken more repairs than it should but it has a 10 year warranty so at least it’s not any money out of my pocket. I also don’t buy expensive kitchen and clothes appliances so if they need replacement, it’s a couple hundred bucks.

My dad buys high end appliances that seem to need repairs more often than I would expect. They are too expensive to just replace without digging deep. They look high end but don’t act like it.

[Unobtanium-inc]

We just buy normal brands from the big box stores and they seem to last long enough that when they need replacement, I’m not unhappy. Other than replacing a belt and bushing on our dryer ($35 & 45 minutes) I haven’t repaired or replaced an appliance in years. LG, Samsung, Maytag, etc. Nothing high end. One of our recently replaced hvac has taken more repairs than it should but it has a 10 year warranty so at least it’s not any money out of my pocket. I also don’t buy expensive kitchen and clothes appliances so if they need replacement, it’s a couple hundred bucks.

My dad buys high end appliances that seem to need repairs more often than I would expect. They are too expensive to just replace without digging deep. They look high end but don’t act like it.

My dishwasher saga went back 2 years before the BOSCH. We bought a middle of the road dishwasher, an LG I think, it crapped out after 2 years. Called a fix it man, he said chuck it, they can't be fixed. That's why we paid double for the BOSCH thinking it would be better, it wasn't. I've now bought what is hopefully the last dishwasher I will ever see, guaranteed 20 years. Miele, German made, supposed to be the best, I hope so for the price.

[pfreiburger]

Interesting subject! My experience with Bosch appliances (and one power tool) are universally bad: overpriced, early failure, repair nightmare.

I see Miele mentioned above, I own a Miele vacuum cleaner and have been disappointed. It is very powerful, but that is the outer end of its goodness. For the 1K that it cost, you get a machine that is inconvenient to use (on/off switch NOT on the wand, other annoyances), with hard to use attachments, some of which are poorly designed and/or cheaply made. Very overrated.

I have had good luck with my old-school, non-electronic, agitator-type Speed Queen washer. It actually cleans the clothes and I have 15 years on it. Will buy another.

[wonkipop]

We just buy normal brands from the big box stores and they seem to last long enough that when they need replacement, I’m not unhappy. Other than replacing a belt and bushing on our dryer ($35 & 45 minutes) I haven’t repaired or replaced an appliance in years. LG, Samsung, Maytag, etc. Nothing high end. One of our recently replaced hvac has taken more repairs than it should but it has a 10 year warranty so at least it’s not any money out of my pocket. I also don’t buy expensive kitchen and clothes appliances so if they need replacement, it’s a couple hundred bucks.

My dad buys high end appliances that seem to need repairs more often than I would expect. They are too expensive to just replace without digging deep. They look high end but don’t act like it.

My dishwasher saga went back 2 years before the BOSCH. We bought a middle of the road dishwasher, an LG I think, it crapped out after 2 years. Called a fix it man, he said chuck it, they can't be fixed. That's why we paid double for the BOSCH thinking it would be better, it wasn't. I've now bought what is hopefully the last dishwasher I will ever see, guaranteed 20 years. Miele, German made, supposed to be the best, I hope so for the price.

it should be good.
if miele is anything like they are in australia they back it up with trained tech guys who roam the city attending to any problems -- and also with general maitenance on old machines. they are the only company who do that here. its been that way for a long time. hopefully their sales and back up is as professional in the USA.
the stuff is good. but like anything it can break down. but when it does they usually can fix it and usually it makes economic sense unless its real real old and the part is simply unobtainable like its getting with 914s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

i like the miele techs. good to deal with. one of the techs i ran into reckons there are dishwashers and ovens of theirs out there that are 40 years old and still running. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) an oven i can understand. its remarkable that a dishwasher will still run after 40 years. but they will. (or at least they used to.....i mean this is a world where even mercedes benz has gone down hill!).

[Freezin 914]

With Modern appliances, I am told 7-10 yrs tops before replacement. Regardless of brand. Have a friend that repairs appliances for a living. He has mentioned Speed queen for clothes machines. Which are fairly local for me. I do the electrical work for him. He has Whirlpool in his personal home for what it’s worth.

[mate914]

I deal with this daily. Appliances are not made to be fixed, you are supposed to buy new.
One Bosch unit has 5 different likely control boards and none mix or match.
We are buying this from China who hates us... Would you go out and buy a Russian freezer? Well, because we have no choices.

Thanks GE, Frigidaire, Bosch, and so on... They sold us out!

Matt

[mate914]

Electric or gas? Gas is being removed by the FDA, and yes they would make your gas stove brake early just like the rusty 2019 Silverado's.

Matt

They're overpriced pieces of shit that even Bosch can't repair. Don't buy one.

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[Unobtanium-inc]

We just buy normal brands from the big box stores and they seem to last long enough that when they need replacement, I’m not unhappy. Other than replacing a belt and bushing on our dryer ($35 & 45 minutes) I haven’t repaired or replaced an appliance in years. LG, Samsung, Maytag, etc. Nothing high end. One of our recently replaced hvac has taken more repairs than it should but it has a 10 year warranty so at least it’s not any money out of my pocket. I also don’t buy expensive kitchen and clothes appliances so if they need replacement, it’s a couple hundred bucks.

My dad buys high end appliances that seem to need repairs more often than I would expect. They are too expensive to just replace without digging deep. They look high end but don’t act like it.

My dishwasher saga went back 2 years before the BOSCH. We bought a middle of the road dishwasher, an LG I think, it crapped out after 2 years. Called a fix it man, he said chuck it, they can't be fixed. That's why we paid double for the BOSCH thinking it would be better, it wasn't. I've now bought what is hopefully the last dishwasher I will ever see, guaranteed 20 years. Miele, German made, supposed to be the best, I hope so for the price.

it should be good.
if miele is anything like they are in australia they back it up with trained tech guys who roam the city attending to any problems -- and also with general maitenance on old machines. they are the only company who do that here. its been that way for a long time. hopefully their sales and back up is as professional in the USA.
the stuff is good. but like anything it can break down. but when it does they usually can fix it and usually it makes economic sense unless its real real old and the part is simply unobtainable like its getting with 914s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

i like the miele techs. good to deal with. one of the techs i ran into reckons there are dishwashers and ovens of theirs out there that are 40 years old and still running. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) an oven i can understand. its remarkable that a dishwasher will still run after 40 years. but they will. (or at least they used to.....i mean this is a world where even mercedes benz has gone down hill!).

Don't get me started on Benz. I bought an 07 CLK, found out after the 4th time in a shop in a year it was actually a Chrysler Lebaron with Benz badges, it was a real POS. I traded it for a 2012 E350, now that's a Benz, made in Stuttgart. Nothing but oil changes, just runs and runs.

[Superhawk996]

Don't get me started on Benz. I bought an 07 CLK, found out after the 4th time in a shop in a year it was actually a Chrysler Lebaron with Benz badges, it was a real POS. I traded it for a 2012 E350, now that's a Benz, made in Stuttgart. Nothing but oil changes, just runs and runs.

Fully understand that Mercedes of that era were not quality vehicles.

However let’s be clear, Mercedes didn’t use any Chrysler platform(s) as the basis for their vehicles in that 2007 era. In fact, the parts sharing was in the other direction with Chrysler often being forced by Daimler to use Mercedes parts and designs.

Case in point the Chrysler Crossfire which was based off SLK platform. Same with the Chrysler 300 that inherited parts and designs from the E-class like the transmission, parking brake, and suspension architecture.

Later on in 2011 the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Mercedes ML did share a platform. Again in this instance, the Mercedes platform was the initial basis of sharing. Most of the advanced engineering and packaging having been started and committed to before the split of Daimler and Chrysler.

[flipb]

Remodeled our kitchen in Spring of 2021. This was the beginning of the supply chain issues so lots of appliances were back-ordered for many months.

We ordered Bosch dishwasher and combo wall oven/microwave. Both were severely delayed. Ended up changing to a Miele dishwasher and LG combo oven. Pretty happy so far with both. The Miele does a great job getting stuff clean. The LG oven is quirky/annoying in some regards but generally works well.

In my old house, we had a Blue Star gas range. I miss it. That thing was fantastic.

[930cabman]

Wife loves our Bosch dishwasher, quiet, clean dishes, ...

Mother in law (wonderful lady) purchased a ventless dryer several years ago, complete POS, nobody can repair it. From my eyes the design cannot work,but still carries the Bosch name plate

[Unobtanium-inc]

Don't get me started on Benz. I bought an 07 CLK, found out after the 4th time in a shop in a year it was actually a Chrysler Lebaron with Benz badges, it was a real POS. I traded it for a 2012 E350, now that's a Benz, made in Stuttgart. Nothing but oil changes, just runs and runs.

Fully understand that Mercedes of that era were not quality vehicles.

However let’s be clear, Mercedes didn’t use any Chrysler platform(s) as the basis for their vehicles in that 2007 era. In fact, the parts sharing was in the other direction with Chrysler often being forced by Daimler to use Mercedes parts and designs.

Case in point the Chrysler Crossfire which was based off SLK platform. Same with the Chrysler 300 that inherited parts and designs from the E-class like the transmission, parking brake, and suspension architecture.

Later on in 2011 the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Mercedes ML did share a platform. Again in this instance, the Mercedes platform was the initial basis of sharing. Most of the advanced engineering and packaging having been started and committed to before the split of Daimler and Chrysler.

What about the ill-fated R class, wasn't that built on the Chrysler Town and Country mini-van platform. That was a POS too. My brother had one, burned through brakes every 10,000 miles