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I've been looking for years for the "right stuff" to replace the original carpet in my 1974 914 LE and this might be it, although the swatch marked "Black w/Grey (Part# PSL21)" looks closer with more gray threads. Searching for silver knit seems to be a lot closer than using felt or loop styles. Thanks for posting.
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Too hard to tell via the Picture. To me it looks more like Perlon?
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While my '74 was over at my mechanics shop for a fuel tank change-out, he showed me this bit of carpet in the fuel tank compartment. He has seen the blue/ black factory carpeting (used here as a tank buffer) utilized on the factory RS, RSR + IROC cars minimal interiors.
He also had a 3L mfi/Kügelfisher IROC engine on the stand ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) ![]() |
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IROC engine which runs in local POC IROC- tribute cars series. 1.750" MSDS Ceramic coated headers too.
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Will they send samples? |
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That looks very close to the factory carpet that I took out of my 72. It was 10 years old and the carpet was toast. With coco mats covering the holes it looked pretty good. But 55 a yard is a bit much for my budget
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I contacted them and requested samples. Cant teell if you cant see it. Bruce |
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@PanelBilly i think that carpet you are looking at is the carpet that went into 911s at that time.
its a kind of fuzzy look carpet. but not perlon. 914s used VW carpet stock. most of the higher spec cars had loop pile. but.........when it comes to 74 914s they changed the black carpet from the loop pile stock they had been using (used in VW 412) to a different type of carpet as was fitted to the VW scirocco. @scallyk9 this is going to matter for a bumble bee. @JeffBowlsby has a handle on when this change in the carpet occurred. its either at the start of when the LEs were coming down the production line or during their production run. so some might have been the earlier carpet and some the later. i have a sense of when the carpet changes from 74 L jet data. but not as narrowed down as mr. b has pinned it. its between end of feb74 and somewhere in april 74 the changeover happens. the latter carpet is called salt and pepper. i would call it mottled. i have seen that carpet or something very close to it on mercedes benz carpet suppliers. you need a sample if you are wanting to be serious about getting a bumble bee right. depends on what you are trying to do and how far you want to go. |
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@Maltese Falcon Our cars must be pretty close in VIN. I have the same exact carpet under my tank. My understanding is they used whatever they had, and the tank carpet can vary from car to car.
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@PanelBilly i think that carpet you are looking at is the carpet that went into 911s at that time. its a kind of fuzzy look carpet. but not perlon. 914s used VW carpet stock. most of the higher spec cars had loop pile. but.........when it comes to 74 914s they changed the black carpet from the loop pile stock they had been using (used in VW 412) to a different type of carpet as was fitted to the VW scirocco. @scallyk9 this is going to matter for a bumble bee. @JeffBowlsby has a handle on when this change in the carpet occurred. its either at the start of when the LEs were coming down the production line or during their production run. so some might have been the earlier carpet and some the later. i have a sense of when the carpet changes from 74 L jet data. but not as narrowed down as mr. b has pinned it. its between end of feb74 and somewhere in april 74 the changeover happens. the latter carpet is called salt and pepper. i would call it mottled. i have seen that carpet or something very close to it on mercedes benz carpet suppliers. you need a sample if you are wanting to be serious about getting a bumble bee right. depends on what you are trying to do and how far you want to go. Right! Why I've been looking so long and have a few swatches that are not close enough. My restoration of the LE has been as factory correct as I can make it and the car has been on extended displays and has won PCA Concours events...but the pursuit of correct period and model year correct parts never ends. The closest match I've found was noticed in a friend's reupholstered side car for his early 1970's BMW motorcycle. I contacted the craftsman who did the work, and he said it was from fabric he had from a years ago project. The carpet had been customer supplied but sourced from Germany and known as Hargaarn velour. I've found several kits for 65 to 73 911s using the charcoal version (including 911 kits from Classic Touring Seats) but I've only seen that fabric in photos. My LE (4742914854) was produced in early March of 1974 with this salt and pepper carpet. |
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@scallyk9
yes, correct carpet material is tricky for the 914s if its loop pile square weave type. periodically i make searches for the 74 brown carpet as stock, just in case i ever needed some to repair or fix a section of carpet. i have a set of rhd carpets i made of correct brown stock i wisely bought at the time (35 years ago, gee time flies! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ). i got the raw stock in a roll from porsche australia back then! i have stumbled across this stuff and i think it could be close when it comes to black interiors. but never the brown. for an early 74 up to end of feb 74. this looks like it could be close to right? color - anthracite. ![]() and for later 74 mottled/salt and pepper. charcoal - top row. ![]() ![]() it would make sense that VW was using same or similar carpet stock to MB - at least for the top spec of the line VWs, which 914s and sciroccos were. but again you would need samples to see how close these really are. alas i have never stumbled across anything remotely resembling the 74 brown loop pile. which is a shame. i understand that some LEs came with brown interiors too. creamsicles i think. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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@Maltese Falcon Our cars must be pretty close in VIN. I have the same exact carpet under my tank. My understanding is they used whatever they had, and the tank carpet can vary from car to car. Imagine all of the 6-figure RS, RSR, IROC Historic 911s rolling around today with our frugal carpeting from the Karmann Karosserie parts bin. Whatever works and if scrap carpeting keeps the rattles away in a 914...just Do it ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/marty914.jpg) |
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