 My brother wants to buy a 912, looking for tips and advice |
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| jr91472 |
  Aug 18 2006, 08:50 AM
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"I'm pacing myself sergeant..."  Group: Members Posts: 1,205 Joined: 2-August 04 From: McKinney, TX Member No.: 2,437  |
I know there is alot of cross over here, so I thought I would ping the collective knowledge base.
He is not looking for a restoration project, but doesn't mind working on it either. He is pretty set on getting a targa as it will only be a fair weather driver (weekends, etc). No a/x plans for now, but who knows. Any advice on years to avoid, specifics to look for, good books for research, etc. would greatly apprieciated. This will be his first Porsche (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| theol00 |
Aug 18 2006, 09:13 AM
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Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 242 Joined: 22-January 04 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 1,586  |
Make sure he has it checked out by someone who knows these cars (911/912), they can be very rusty in hard to find places. A nicely set up 912 can be a very sweet car - and they are easily converted to a 911 - like all Porsches you can plug in things like suspensions and go fast motors - I have a 911 RS clone (2.7 ltrs with 240 hp based on a 69 912) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif)
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| Toast |
Aug 18 2006, 09:20 AM
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Not bad for carrying sway bars. Group: Members Posts: 3,377 Joined: 20-January 04 From: Las Vegas Member No.: 1,580 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Tell him not to do it.
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| Eric_Shea |
Aug 18 2006, 09:23 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
Just look for rust. Look everywhere. Or, look for quality repairs.
These little cars are appreciating in both value and respect lately. I don't think any more engine conversions would be wise. A while back it was almost the norm. As they appreciate, a good 912 will be a good investment. |
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| DanT |
Aug 18 2006, 09:56 AM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Aug 18 2006, 08:23 AM)  Just look for rust. Look everywhere. Or, look for quality repairs. These little cars are appreciating in both value and respect lately. I don't think any more engine conversions would be wise. A while back it was almost the norm. As they appreciate, a good 912 will be a good investment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Especially after the nice article in Pano July '06 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Bill D |
Aug 18 2006, 12:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 1-August 06 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,558 |
If he is looking for a 912 because he thinks it will be less expensive than a 911 to repair then he is mistaken. An engine rebuild can be very expensive and more parts will need to be replaced. The case cracks around the oil cooler. The crankshaft can only be turned once. The oil pump is part of the front case cover. The valve guides have no shoulder and can fall in if the old guides were not removed properly...
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Aug 18 2006, 12:56 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
QUOTE(Bill D @ Aug 18 2006, 11:47 AM) If he is looking for a 912 because he thinks it will be less expensive than a 911 to repair then he is mistaken. An engine rebuild can be very expensive and more parts will need to be replaced. The case cracks around the oil cooler. The crankshaft can only be turned once. The oil pump is part of the front case cover. The valve guides have no shoulder and can fall in if the old guides were not removed properly... An earlier 911, 2 liter or 2.2 litre, has a MINIMUM of twice the engine longevity of a 911, and often they run 300K miles (that's about 4X). The cost of rebuilding one of these is roughly the same as a 912, given the cost of case repairs, German pistons and cylinders, and a new crank. This has been true for at least 25 years. As others have said, CHECK FOR RUST. For some reason, the 912s are much harder on the nose pan. Might be the generator/alternator difference, I dunno. I've replaced about 20 of them on 912s, and maybe 1 or 2 on 911s. The cabin floors get so thin you can stick a pencil through 'em, too. |
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| Kurt A |
Aug 18 2006, 01:01 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 25-March 06 From: El Sobrante Ca Member No.: 5,769 |
Send him to the 912 registry.org
The 68's have some sort of smog-air injection thingy that can crack the heads. 616 motors cost as much to rebuild as a flat 6. If the previous owner lugged the motor enough the crank can get hammered ($). 69 was the only year of the long wheelbase chassis. 912 Targas are pretty rare compared to coupes. Rust and more rust. Blah, blah, blah. Again the 912 Registry is a great source of info. I have a '67 SWB coupe with a 914 motor and I quite like it. |
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| Mueller |
Aug 18 2006, 01:11 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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I hope to win this 912 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
912 raffle !!! now that my 911 is pretty much sold, I've got the space (IMG:style_emoticons/default/MDB2.gif) I know it's a '76 smog monster, but I can deal with that...would be kinda neat to have 2 912e's across the street from each other |
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| Eric_Shea |
Aug 18 2006, 01:35 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Hey Cap'n or Jake...
Can one rebuild a Type 1 for this application and keep the numbers matching 356 engine on a pallett in the garage? Just wondering... coming from someone who knows jack about these early 4 lungers. |
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| Bill D |
Aug 18 2006, 01:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 1-August 06 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,558 |
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Aug 18 2006, 02:56 PM) An earlier 911, 2 liter or 2.2 litre, has a MINIMUM of twice the engine longevity of a 912, and often they run 300K miles (that's about 4X). The cost of rebuilding one of these is roughly the same as a 912, given the cost of case repairs, German pistons and cylinders, and a new crank. This has been true for at least 25 years. Yep. I learned the hard way 30 years ago. |
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| sww914 |
Aug 18 2006, 02:06 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,439 Joined: 4-June 06 Member No.: 6,146 Region Association: None |
Tell him to buy a 914. With any leftover money, he can do upgrades, and they're all targas.
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| dion9146 |
Aug 18 2006, 02:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 469 Joined: 16-May 04 From: Buckner, KY Member No.: 2,071 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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| flatout |
Aug 18 2006, 02:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 3-May 04 From: southeast missouri Member No.: 2,018 |
I have said this before, I love mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I have had it for almost 10 years. Tell him to look for rust under the front end and buy the best he can afford.
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