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Light Mechanisms, A little tinkering today... |
Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 05:01 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I decided to take a light mechanism in to the platers with the last batch. I really like the way it came out. I polished up the ring and mounted the Carello's. Then I stuck the trim piece on there for good measure.
These, the Pilots and the Hella's and Aaron and I should be lighting up the night. I hope that 911 alternator can keep up! Attached image(s) |
Aaron Cox |
Aug 20 2006, 06:00 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
i got the shitty (understatement) h4 bargains of ebay... they suck ass. the dont sit tight and flop around.....
where can i get some real h4 housings??? btw - hella's + pilots are scary amount of light... my alt cannot run all 3.... (330 watts = 30 amps or so...... with all accessories.. my alt is hosed) |
Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 06:06 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 06:09 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I think I'll throw some of these loom melters in there:
130/100W Narva: $19/ea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 06:14 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Any electrical geniuses out there know what is involved in wiring all of these properly and what the alternator needs to be?
I have a couple 911 alternators out of the car now that I could have rebuilt if that's what it takes. Maybe a late model 911 alternator would be able to keep up in a stipped down racer (no radio etc.) Aaron, can your pops weigh in? I think it's the same set up you'd be using: Pilots Hellas H4's 130/100 No wires run yet... need advice. |
Aaron Cox |
Aug 20 2006, 06:16 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
LOL 130/100 bulbs? im using 55/60 for streetabilty....
you will need to run dedicated 12 or 10 gauge wires to the front of the car with relays for that kinda current draw! lemme ask pops... 55 x 6 = 330 watt draw in my application |
Aaron Cox |
Aug 20 2006, 06:19 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
LOL 130/100 bulbs? im using 55/60 for streetabilty.... lemme ask pops... 55 x 6 = 330 watt draw in my application http://www.angelfire.com/pa/baconbacon/page2.html 330 watts at 12v is 27.5 amp current draw.... a CDI (msd type) pullsa bout 9 amps i hear fuel pump = 3 or 4? various sidemarker and brakelight etc lamps = X amps 27.5 + 9 = 36.5 amp draw, plus ligths fuel pump etc... dont think a stock 55 amp type 4 alt will handle it |
Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 06:19 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Alright... maybe the 100/55W Narva's and I'll flick the switch when I want to melt deer at 50 paces. I'm gonna miss that 30 watts though! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 06:21 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/baconbacon/page2.html
That page gives me the hives... tell me what to do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Aaron Cox |
Aug 20 2006, 06:23 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
enter 12v, and expected total wattage draw of your lights in the watts...
2 x 55w hella = 110 2 x 55w pilots = 110 2 x INSERT H4 WATT DRAW HERE = x add em up.... |
Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 06:26 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
VOLTS 12
AMPS 33.33333333333333333333333 OHMS .36 WATTS 400 |
Aaron Cox |
Aug 20 2006, 06:29 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
ok.. so 34 amps are dedicated to night lighting.
how much do all the other systems on the car draw? wipers? fuel pump? ignition (BIG DRAW) turn signals/brake lights/running lights? etc... then i would leave at least 10 amp for safety |
Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 06:34 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Would I be right in assuming it would probably need to be around 90 amps? (55+30+??)
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Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 06:39 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Looks like this would do the trick...
911 603 120 05 Valeo 90 Amp for an 84-89 car. |
draperjojo |
Aug 20 2006, 06:59 PM
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sixstrings Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Salt Lake City Utah Member No.: 5,317 |
Good ole Ohm's Law E=I X R E= voltage, I= current, and R= resistence. Add up all known wattage loads and divide by voltage and you get your current requirement. Then you want to service factor it by some percentage for safety and inrush current. #10 Cu wire is good for 30-35 amps depending on the insulation, #8 Cu is good for 40-45 amps, #6 Cu will handle 65 amps, and #4 is good for about 90 amps. I like using the welding cable because there are some many more strands, it is flexible and easier to work with than FLAP, or Home Depot residential or commercial wire.
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Gint |
Aug 20 2006, 07:51 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,094 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
What'd you paint those housings with? Looks good. |
bondo |
Aug 20 2006, 08:12 PM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
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Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 10:25 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE What'd you paint those housings with? Looks good. Valspar 55409 "Vanilla". Special plastic enamel. Color is an exact match. I spent hours trying to clean them up with everything in the book. I took the worst set I had and tried this stuff (I have a couple more sets). The result is what you see. |
Eric_Shea |
Aug 20 2006, 10:31 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,289 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE Good ole Ohm's Law E=I X R E= voltage, I= current, and R= resistence. Add up all known wattage loads and divide by voltage and you get your current requirement. Then you want to service factor it by some percentage for safety and inrush current. Hired... only you're not running welding cable in my car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
gklinger |
Aug 20 2006, 11:35 PM
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doh! Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 14-January 03 From: Tempe, AZ Member No.: 146 Region Association: Southwest Region |
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