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> Stork came today, It's a 2.0! 10 questions
ppickerell
post Nov 3 2003, 08:00 PM
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Big truck bring 2.0 today. I like big truck. I will be subbing out the rebuild effort using local talent. I want to end up with a street quick 2056 or maybe 2270. I know this rebuild will not be cheap but have the funds allocated to do this right and am ready to go (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) I have questions and would appreciate any advice gained from member experiences.

1. First of all, will the 2270 be worth the extra coin?
2. FI vs carb?
3. Dynamic balancing, yes or no?
4. What options do you have in head rebuilds?
5. Will my 1.7 tranny bolt right up?
6. Are there "trick" tranny's reasonably priced that correct funky shifts?
7. What cam to be hot but street?
8. What else should I be asking about?
9. Fancy pants pistons or not nickasil, etc.?
10. What will this cost me, ballparks gratefully accepted?

Also want to know how soon is reasonable for professionals to complete this job? Not that I am in a big hurry, just want to know what to expect.
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vortrex
post Nov 3 2003, 08:12 PM
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I would say around $7k for a nice 2270.
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post Nov 3 2003, 08:13 PM
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post Nov 3 2003, 08:22 PM
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pat, here's my 1/2 cents worth.

#1. Only if it's worth it to you.
#2. 2056 FI, 2270 Carbs?.
#3. More balance, Less vibration. Good thing.
#5. Yes.
#10. More than you will expect, plus more than its worth, equals more fun than you can dream about
(well, almost).
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post Nov 3 2003, 09:14 PM
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im quite happy w/ my 2.0...do you really need a 2270? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 3 2003, 09:19 PM
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Need is not the right word, want is more like it. Obviously it depends on the difference in cost. If it's 7K for 2270 and 6K for 2056, I might pony up the xtra. If a really great 2.0 rebuild is $3000 then a really great 2.0 sounds nice.
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post Nov 3 2003, 09:23 PM
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I had a "great" FI 2.0 that was a $4k+ plus engine. don't do it, after 2 weeks you will not know the difference in power (probably 15HP over stock) anymore.
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post Nov 3 2003, 09:31 PM
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I say 2270 injected.

Only rebuild the 2.0 stock if you plan to run PCA autoX or Time trial events.

The 2270 will run you at least 7k and that is with carbs.


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post Nov 3 2003, 09:33 PM
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What will the stock 2.0 rebuild cost, because I would like to beat Demick Boyden in AX.
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post Nov 3 2003, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 3 2003, 10:31 PM)
I say 2270 injected.


DJet will handle that? HMMMMM.
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post Nov 3 2003, 09:52 PM
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Djet "can" handle that, but not out of the box.

Djet is still holding you back from having a lumpy cam though, there are more brutally expensive solutions.

I'd like those redline TBs, and a way to make it drive off the motor.


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post Nov 3 2003, 10:14 PM
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With Brad....2270 injected.

Jake won't do one.

Must be why you and Andy are interested in the lumpy idle cam/intake manifold design stuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Me want...Me got Perfect Power Programmable EFI/Spark system, Triad header, and a 2 L motor with virgin heads. I'd love a 2270 with that stuff.

Brad/Andy, Pick up a copy of "Understanding Automotive Electronics" by William Ribbens. It's a vey nice South African book on designing EFI. Has lot's of block diagrams, circuit diagrams and equations. Section on intake manifold pressures, air mass etc. Might answer some of your questions.. About $40.00 at Barnes and NotSo Noble.

After looking through it, I was willing to bet it was the book that the guys at Perfect Power EFI used to design their system.

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post Nov 3 2003, 11:06 PM
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Demick runs a stock 2.0.

You also would have to run a stock 2.0 for his class.

To build a class winning 115hp 2.0 ..it will run you 6-7k depending on what we start with (amount of work needed on heads)

Honestly..to beat Demick.. you need seat time.. and it runs a lot more than 7k over 2-3 years..LOL

In comparison: the 2270 would have somewhere close to 170hp with injection. At this point we would want to re-gear the tranny to take advantage of the "new found" torque characteristics of the 2270.

I'm sending a pallet this week to Raby (Friday or so) for balance work and one 2270 combo.

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post Nov 3 2003, 11:22 PM
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Brad,
I think your original suggestion 2056 FI works for me. Should I have the engine shipped to you? Or should I pull the heads and send them to you first? Did you get my email from last week?
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post Nov 3 2003, 11:25 PM
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I recieved the email and thought I had responded to it.

Anyway.

I can pick up the entire engine or just the heads.

The entire engine might be good. That way I keep everything together.

I *might* be attending the GoodGuys event this weekend in Pleasanton and could pick it up then.


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post Nov 3 2003, 11:32 PM
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Brad is talking aftermarket injection on the 2270.

Raby will do injection, but he is a carb man.

A stroked /4 will smoke a stock stroke hands down.

Balance it, best money you will spend.

If coin is not an issue why not go /6.
Add nickies to a stroked /4 and you are totally in the /6 price range.
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post Nov 5 2003, 11:10 AM
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Folks,
Thanks for all your input. 2056 with mild cam, stock FI and german pistons balanced seems to be a reasonable combo. Brad, please let me know what time you want to come by.
Thanks,
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post Nov 5 2003, 02:51 PM
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Brad If you do go to Pleasenton, and attend the Goodguys event, look at the Deucesteel frame, give me some feedback.
Thanks
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