 replacement brake lines, pelican says conflicting stuff ?? |
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| jimkelly |
 Jan 8 2007, 06:38 AM
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Delaware USA  Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  |
pelican says at this link...
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopca..._pg3.htm#item12 "Old, worn out original brake lines are not only bad for performance, but are outright dangerous. Replace your worn out factory original lines with high quality replacement lines. Or for better durability and increased stiffness of braking, replace your original lines with stainless steel braided ones. These lines will not expand when pressure is applied because of the outer stainless steel sheath." but at this link they say... http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9...MW_calipers.htm WARNING: Stainless lines are for "off-road use only" (i.e. for racing), and there have been instances the stainless steel braid can wear through the Teflon lining, some with catastrophic results (i.e. deaths). |
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| Joe Bob |
Jan 8 2007, 06:55 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Captain Krusty says you will die if you use that stuff.....
The braided stuff they sell are not DOT approved. There are DOT braided s/s lines but it looks like Pelican doesn't carry them. |
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| gopack |
Jan 8 2007, 07:04 AM
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CHEESEHEAD in CA, MARK Group: Members Posts: 744 Joined: 7-August 04 From: Folsom, CA Member No.: 2,472 Region Association: Northern California |
I think the idea I have heard here is that the non-DOT lines DO wear, and it is wear that you can't see in a visual inspection. Also the SS lines DO give you a better non-expanding brake line...... SO use them in racing situations where they will be replaced regularily as part of the normal maintenance schedule (seasonaly). For most road going cars they are a set and forget item, and this is where the danger lies.
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| Mueller |
Jan 8 2007, 07:12 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,155 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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I just went with brand new rubber lines from Eric Shea, unless you are building an all race car and everything is top notch I bet you'd never know the differance between SS and brand new rubber lines....
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| SLITS |
Jan 8 2007, 08:05 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
The difference between DOT approved and not approved is the manufacturer went through the process of having the lines DOT approved. This, in reality, means if you run NON-DOT and have an accident, the insurance company can bail out on paying you because NON-DOT is obviously sub-standard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) .
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| PinetreePorsche |
Jan 8 2007, 08:10 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 235 Joined: 14-November 05 From: Falls Church, VA Member No.: 5,124 |
QUOTE(mikez @ Jan 8 2007, 04:55 AM)  Captain Krusty says you will die if you use that stuff..... The braided stuff they sell are not DOT approved. There are DOT braided s/s lines but it looks like Pelican doesn't carry them. Good--then who makes the DOT approved braideds, and where can we get them? -C |
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| Joe Bob |
Jan 8 2007, 08:50 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Try Earl's...
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| ws91420 |
Jan 8 2007, 09:02 AM
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Yes I have one a Lensley 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,063 Joined: 10-September 03 From: Ruther Glen,VA (halfway between sticks and civilization) Member No.: 1,137 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Found a set here Automotion
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| jimkelly |
Jan 8 2007, 09:24 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I think this is good advice - thks - jim
and cheaper : ) QUOTE(Mueller @ Jan 8 2007, 05:12 AM) I just went with brand new rubber lines from Eric Shea, unless you are building an all race car and everything is top notch I bet you'd never know the differance between SS and brand new rubber lines.... |
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| sww914 |
Jan 8 2007, 10:02 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,439 Joined: 4-June 06 Member No.: 6,146 Region Association: None |
The story I was told by a supplier many moons ago is that the lines are the same, but the DOT ones are more expensive because the manufacturer spent about $35,000.00 proving that they are safe and getting them certified by the DOT, so the cost is passed on. If you put stainless lines on your car, it will not stop any faster.
The pedal will feel harder, the lines will resist abrasion better, and they look really cool. |
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| SLITS |
Jan 8 2007, 10:10 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(sww914 @ Jan 8 2007, 08:02 AM) The story I was told by a supplier many moons ago is that the lines are the same, but the DOT ones are more expensive because the manufacturer spent about $35,000.00 proving that they are safe and getting them certified by the DOT, so the cost is passed on. If you put stainless lines on your car, it will not stop any faster. The pedal will feel harder, the lines will resist abrasion better, and they look really cool. And that's the truth.... I just typed less. |
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| andys |
Jan 8 2007, 10:30 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None
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I believe GPR sells both DOT and Non-DOT approved.
Andy |
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| bperry |
Jan 8 2007, 12:57 PM
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Lurker Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 16-February 04 From: Dallas, Tx Member No.: 1,661 |
QUOTE(sww914 @ Jan 8 2007, 10:02 AM) The story I was told by a supplier many moons ago is that the lines are the same, but the DOT ones are more expensive because the manufacturer spent about $35,000.00 proving that they are safe and getting them certified by the DOT, so the cost is passed on. If you put stainless lines on your car, it will not stop any faster. The pedal will feel harder, the lines will resist abrasion better, and they look really cool. I actually have a set of both. I think they were made by "Precise Lines". That is the name on the packaging. Both were made by the same company and are packaged similarly. The DOT ones do look different. The hose is bigger in diamter and the crimping on the ends looks better made. The crimping just looks better. See the attached photo. The one with the yellow label are the DOT lines.  |
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| slothness |
Jan 8 2007, 03:15 PM
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It's business time Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 7-October 04 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 2,906 Region Association: Southern California |
Holy crap, I just bought some awhile back! I hope I got DOT approved. I think I remember the yellow label, but I might just be imagining things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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| iamchappy |
Jan 8 2007, 03:45 PM
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It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest  |
I have have the non Dot ones fail on me....
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| markb |
Jan 8 2007, 04:12 PM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California
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Our own hwgunner just got in some DOT ss lines. Ya might try him.
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| PORobinSCHE |
 Jan 8 2007, 08:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 421 Joined: 22-July 06 From: Orlando,Fl Member No.: 6,484 |
i have used braided steel lines on my motorcycles for years. they do give a much more positive feel . i have NEVER had a line failure from a braided line.
Robin |
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| Allan |
Jan 8 2007, 08:32 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(iamchappy @ Jan 8 2007, 01:45 PM) I have have the non Dot ones fail on me.... Have HAD or Haven't had a non DOT line fail? I run the racing line but will replace them every 12000 miles. "I" think that's pretty good... BTW, I run "M" calipers in front with stock rears including a stock proportioning valve, and iffin ya wanna drive my car and test the brakes, be ready, it'll throw ya thru the windshield... |
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| sww914 |
Jan 8 2007, 08:52 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,439 Joined: 4-June 06 Member No.: 6,146 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(bperry @ Jan 8 2007, 10:57 AM) QUOTE(sww914 @ Jan 8 2007, 10:02 AM) The story I was told by a supplier many moons ago is that the lines are the same, but the DOT ones are more expensive because the manufacturer spent about $35,000.00 proving that they are safe and getting them certified by the DOT, so the cost is passed on. If you put stainless lines on your car, it will not stop any faster. The pedal will feel harder, the lines will resist abrasion better, and they look really cool. I actually have a set of both. I think they were made by "Precise Lines". That is the name on the packaging. Both were made by the same company and are packaged similarly. The DOT ones do look different. The hose is bigger in diamter and the crimping on the ends looks better made. The crimping just looks better. See the attached photo. The one with the yellow label are the DOT lines. Thanks for the actual info, as opposed to the myth that I was propogating. |
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| firstknight13 |
Jan 8 2007, 10:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 652 Joined: 25-March 05 From: manchester,ct. Member No.: 3,817 |
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QUOTE(iamchappy @ Jan 8 2007, 01:45 PM) I have have the non Dot ones fail on me.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) so please tell US (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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