Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> 914 "Kit Car" in the future????, Think there will be a market for it???
Mueller
post Dec 25 2003, 01:10 AM
Post #1


914 Freak!
***************

Group: Members
Posts: 17,146
Joined: 4-January 03
From: Antioch, CA
Member No.: 87
Region Association: None
It seems to me that it is only a matter of time before someone decides that a true Kit Car should be made to resemble the 914, the big questions are:

Will people buy the kits?
Will the Kits and components be true to the original design? (Mid-engine, ind. suspension, 4 whl disc brakes, etc, etc)
What kind of chassis will the Kit be built on?
1) A used or damaged 914 chassis?
2) VW Bug chassis
3) Tube frame (like a Cobra or Lotus 7 kit)
4) Glued up chassis using honeycomb composites?

Would you buy one???

Everyone drools over the cobras, the 550 spyders, heck in Europe there is even a Kit Car based on the 911 which uses multiple different watercooled powerplants if one wants to go that route.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
2 Pages V  1 2 >  
 Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies(1 - 19)
GWN7
post Dec 25 2003, 01:20 AM
Post #2


King of Road Trips
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 6,280
Joined: 31-December 02
From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Member No.: 56
Region Association: Northstar Region
A tube kit that incorporated a roll bar hidden under the body panels would be interesting. Most of the basic pieces are already available in FG (hoods, engin lid, fenders, door skins and targa bar), altho some would need to be expanded into full items to make it work.

Interesting to see "how much"
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Air_Cooled_Nut
post Dec 25 2003, 01:51 AM
Post #3


914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,748
Joined: 19-April 03
From: Beaverton, Oregon
Member No.: 584
Region Association: None
The cockpit is crutial in my opinion. I absolutely love the cabin of the 914.

Oh, and the 'thick' doors...remind me of the Mach 5 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) Something about thick doors, I can only remember seeing them on sports cars -- yeah yeah, I'm sure some geek will find a 'common' car and prove me wrong but let me live the boyhood memories, m'kay?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
seanery
post Dec 25 2003, 07:14 AM
Post #4


waiting to rebuild whitey!
***************

Group: Retired Admin
Posts: 15,854
Joined: 7-January 03
From: Indy
Member No.: 100
Region Association: None
A little too much egg-nog, huh Mueller! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
cnavarro
post Dec 25 2003, 08:55 AM
Post #5


Cylinder Guru
**

Group: Members
Posts: 472
Joined: 30-December 02
From: Chicagoland!
Member No.: 49
Region Association: None
Was this post influenced by the auction for an all fiberglass 911 styled kit car that is currently on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=2450321662

Charles Navarro
LN Engineering
http://www.LNengineering.com
Aircooled Precision Performance
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BIGKAT_83
post Dec 25 2003, 09:24 AM
Post #6


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,798
Joined: 25-January 03
From: Way down south Bogart,GA
Member No.: 194
Region Association: South East States
I buy a lottery ticket every week just for this. About a 100k to finish

Merry Christmas...............Bob

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ArtechnikA
post Dec 25 2003, 09:52 AM
Post #7


rich herzog
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,390
Joined: 4-April 03
From: Salted Roads, PA
Member No.: 513
Region Association: None
QUOTE(Mueller @ Dec 24 2003, 11:10 PM)
Will people buy the kits?

2) VW Bug chassis
3) Tube frame (like a Cobra or Lotus 7 kit)

Would you buy one???

Everyone drools over the cobras, the 550 spyders...

people buy exotic kit replicars because they can do so for 10 per cent of the buy-in for 'the real thing' and it can be operated and insured comensurately.

i wouldn't buy one - i have the real thing. when the street price of a 914 reaches $250,000, you will see $25,000 kits. since a nice original 914 can be had in the $5000-$7500 range, i don't think anyone will be making $500 kits.

aircooled VW Bug chassis? the upright fan presents packaging challenges, and the chassis have been out of (US) distribution for many years now. New Beetle? maybe, but even with the spiffy turbo models, i'm certainly not ready for the front-engine front-wheel-drive, water-cooled 914 experience. tube frame seems like a low-margin possibility.

replicars typially track exotic prototype cars - or niche cars like the Caterham (Lotus 7) or early MG. okay, i suppose the 914 meets those criteria. still seems to me to be a tough sale when there are so many originals available...

(original) Cobras and 550's are $200,000+ cars.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Jeroen
post Dec 25 2003, 09:53 AM
Post #8


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,887
Joined: 24-December 02
From: The Netherlands
Member No.: 3
Region Association: Europe
I'd love one!

My preference would be a tubeframe (although a glued honeycomb construction would be nice, I think it would get too expensive)
Keep it as true to the original 914 as possible, just take out some of the quirks we have to live with

Either in a form to which you can bolt up all your existing 914 suspension parts, or maybe one with a more trick double wishbone suspension, but one that would still allow us to bolt up stock porsche parts for brakes etc.

I'd like one for next years xmas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

cheers,

Jeroen
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ChrisFoley
post Dec 25 2003, 10:13 AM
Post #9


I am Tangerine Racing
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,934
Joined: 29-January 03
From: Bolton, CT
Member No.: 209
Region Association: None
My idea is to have a carbon fiber tub, molded to be like a 914 chassis, and hang customized body panels to give customers the look they want from the "factory".
It would reverse the trend of making cheap copies of an exotic, into making exotic copies of a cheap sports car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ArtechnikA
post Dec 25 2003, 10:17 AM
Post #10


rich herzog
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,390
Joined: 4-April 03
From: Salted Roads, PA
Member No.: 513
Region Association: None
QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Dec 25 2003, 08:13 AM)
It would reverse the trend of making cheap copies of an exotic, into making exotic copies of a cheap sports car.

we expect no less from a welder who lives in Bolt-on CT ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

Merry Christmas to you !
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Rusty
post Dec 25 2003, 10:28 AM
Post #11


Wanted: Engine case GA003709
*****

Group: Admin
Posts: 7,942
Joined: 24-December 02
From: North Alabama
Member No.: 6
Region Association: Galt's Gulch
For a long time, I said that my next car would be a 550 replica (Thunder Ranch or Vintage, because Beck doesn't offer a /6 cylinder chassis option). But... alas... I've changed my mind. I think a nice 914/4 or a HD would be better for me. Heck, I could have both for the cost of completing a 550).

How is this not OT? Because I'm about tired of projects. Maybe once I'm less transient, I'll feel differently. But for now... The Bee needs some minor work (who's car doesn't). That, and keeping the 914/6 maintained is enough projects for me.

-Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Call me when there are no more 914s left on the market. Then, a kit car becomes attractive (like the 550).
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
eresener
post Dec 25 2003, 10:50 AM
Post #12


Dr. Sawsall
**

Group: Members
Posts: 218
Joined: 17-October 03
From: Missouri
Member No.: 1,252
I think that a "Kit" car or a high quality replica 914 would go over very well here in the Mid-west...especially if it had the "no rust" look. Additionally, it would certainly add to the appreciation ($$) of the existing true 914's. Maybe a distinctive marking package to make this new 914 recognized on the road...Shelby Mustangs had three different motor options...can this be offered with maybe one -4 or -6 ...BTW how would PCA view this for competition...a class of it's own?...if so...then a true boost in 914 recognition...for everyone...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ArtechnikA
post Dec 25 2003, 11:09 AM
Post #13


rich herzog
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,390
Joined: 4-April 03
From: Salted Roads, PA
Member No.: 513
Region Association: None
QUOTE(eresener @ Dec 25 2003, 08:50 AM)
Additionally, it would certainly add to the appreciation ($$) of the existing true 914's.

Shelby Mustangs had three different motor options...can this be offered with maybe one -4 or -6 ...

BTW how would PCA view this for competition...

not sure how you figure the availablilty of a new-construction replicar 914 would increase value of the originals. by contemporary standards, the original 'entry-level' 914 doesn't come off well in most comparisons except to those of us enchanted by its quirks. do you suppose the marketing folks at Cartier cheer when QVC introduces a knockoff at a fraction of the price "Oh Boy! our concept has been validated! watch our sales soar now!" (i'm sorry - that was excessively sarcastic, but i just don't see how availability of a superior product at competitive pricing will do anything to increase the value of the originals...)

Shelby Mustang? pure marketing ploy... (the Cobra is a dfferent concept completely...) however, any 914 replicar made now would surely have provisions for a contemporary watercooled inline OHC turbo 4, Subaru turbo flat-4 and 6, Porsche flat-6 (with actual plumbing designed for the front-mounted oil coolers they require), and small-block V8.

PCA? "Well, let's just check out its certificate of authenticity ..."

they don't recognise Speedster replicars, they don't recognize 904 replicas, and they'd probably prefer not to recognize 914 originals given the chance, but that decision was made (amidst CONSIDERABLE hue and cry) 30 years ago so they're stuck with it.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Rusty
post Dec 25 2003, 11:34 AM
Post #14


Wanted: Engine case GA003709
*****

Group: Admin
Posts: 7,942
Joined: 24-December 02
From: North Alabama
Member No.: 6
Region Association: Galt's Gulch
QUOTE
they don't recognise Speedster replicars, they don't recognize 904 replicas, and they'd probably prefer not to recognize 914 originals given the chance, but that decision was made (amidst CONSIDERABLE hue and cry) 30 years ago so they're stuck with it.


Ahem... Cayenne? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

-Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ArtechnikA
post Dec 25 2003, 11:40 AM
Post #15


rich herzog
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,390
Joined: 4-April 03
From: Salted Roads, PA
Member No.: 513
Region Association: None
QUOTE(Lawrence @ Dec 25 2003, 09:34 AM)
Ahem... Cayenne?

yup - it's a '70's flashback for sure, yet another Porsche-VW joint venture, more yelling and screaming about whether or not they should be let into the club. eventually, they decided yes, citing the same "Porsche calls it a Porsche..." logic (and God forbid PCA National should do anything Porsche doesn't like (much)).

last year there were 2 Cayennes entered in the Parade Concours (and they both won - different classes ...). there were Cayennes entered in the Autocross, and posted some pretty respectable times. (we have yet to see one on its roof at a Parade event, but i bet it's a special challenge to course designers now ...)

you -can- get a certificate of Authenticity on a Cayenne, and it says Porsche and everything. it's in.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
boxstr
post Dec 25 2003, 11:55 AM
Post #16


MEMBER:PACIFIC NORTHWEST REGION
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,522
Joined: 25-December 02
From: OREGON
Member No.: 12
Region Association: Pacific Northwest
Great idea Mueller, 1/24th scale...
CCLINREVELLTOWN
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Rusty
post Dec 25 2003, 11:59 AM
Post #17


Wanted: Engine case GA003709
*****

Group: Admin
Posts: 7,942
Joined: 24-December 02
From: North Alabama
Member No.: 6
Region Association: Galt's Gulch
QUOTE
you -can- get a certificate of Authenticity on a Cayenne, and it says Porsche and everything. it's in.


Well, now there are two cars at which 914 snobs can turn their noses up. 924s, cause they just plain suck, and the PepperVagen. I guess I'm a 914 snob then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

-Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

P.S. Wow, we really hijacked Mueller's thread, huh? heheheheh
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
eresener
post Dec 25 2003, 12:47 PM
Post #18


Dr. Sawsall
**

Group: Members
Posts: 218
Joined: 17-October 03
From: Missouri
Member No.: 1,252
Since I am new to 914's...please forgive me but what exactly does the certificate have to indicate about this car? Is it a VIN number?... I have read that it is a Porsche powered by a Porsche motor...but beyond that...inquiring minds want to know...
only because I think it is an interesting concept...and please...I'm not a spy for the PCA...not even a member...

Just like the cars....but the what if's are very interesting to me.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Gint
post Dec 25 2003, 12:50 PM
Post #19


Mike Ginter
***************

Group: Admin
Posts: 16,082
Joined: 26-December 02
From: Denver CO.
Member No.: 20
Region Association: Rocky Mountains
QUOTE
I buy a lottery ticket every week just for this. About a 100k to finish

Merry Christmas...............Bob

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/


I'm with Bob on this one. I've been drooling over one of these for a couple of years now.

This essentially IS a kit car 914.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Gint
post Dec 25 2003, 12:57 PM
Post #20


Mike Ginter
***************

Group: Admin
Posts: 16,082
Joined: 26-December 02
From: Denver CO.
Member No.: 20
Region Association: Rocky Mountains
It even comes in Signal Orange!
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
« Next Oldest · 914World Garage · Next Newest »
 

2 Pages V  1 2 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Display Mode: Switch to: Standard · Linear+ · Switch to: Outline

Track this topic · Email this topic · Print this topic · Subscribe to this forum

- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 6th June 2024 - 06:22 PM
Invision Power Board v9.1.4 © 2024  IPS, Inc.
All rights reserved 914World.com © since 2002
914World.com is the fastest growing online 914 community!
We have it all, classifieds, events, forums, vendors, parts, autocross, racing, technical articles, events calendar, newsletter, restoration, gallery, archives, history and more for your Porsche 914 ...