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Hand crank for 914, Has it been done? |
turtleturtle |
Jun 21 2008, 07:51 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 127 Joined: 4-September 07 From: Corpus Christi Member No.: 8,074 |
Okay, I really do not want to pay someone $400 to replace my flywheel and I live at an apartment where you can not work on your car.
So I have a fast solution. The fan has an Allen Bolt. I know this sounds crazy, but drill a hole in my firewall (yes, I know having a hole in the firewall in not a great idea) but anyway, drill a hole in the firewall, get a foot long externion with the correct Allen Tool (greased up so it can come out when the engine ignites) and have a Socket Wrench on the other side so you can turn the engine to start it. Ideas, thoughts. I know I am crazy, but I miss my 914. |
Rusty |
Jun 21 2008, 08:46 AM
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Wanted: Engine case GA003709 Group: Admin Posts: 7,941 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Interesting idea... but have you thought about potential second and third order effects to your action?
When the engine starts, the socket goes where? Into the fan blades? Violently slung about the engine compartment to break some carb or FI part or perhaps the battery? Or merely denting your engine lid? It's just food for thought. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) If the underside if your car is pretty clean, swapping the flywheel is a job that can be done in an afternoon. if you plan in advance and have all your parts and tools laid out, it shouldn't be too bad. You shouldn't drip significant oil onto anything... perhaps you have a buddy with a garage that would shelter you for a day in exchange for a case of beer? If you were closer, you could use my garage... I've been there doing the apartment gig. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
TheCabinetmaker |
Jun 21 2008, 08:58 AM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,301 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
Not to mention getting your hand ripped off when the engine starts!
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SLITS |
Jun 21 2008, 09:10 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
There are three allen fastners that hold the impeller to the impeller hub ... they are not centered. The hub is held on by a hex headed fastner and is to weak to be used as a crank .... it will snap.
An experienced person can drop the tranny, replace the flywheel and have it back together in less than 2 hours. Yeh, I've done it. Engine does not have to be dropped. |
BarberDave |
Jun 21 2008, 09:23 AM
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Barberdave Group: Members Posts: 1,605 Joined: 12-January 03 From: Wauseon Ohio Member No.: 135 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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Anyone remember starting VW's by giveing the Altenator Pully a spin by hand? Dave (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) |
SLITS |
Jun 21 2008, 09:29 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Nope ... push started.
Maybe he could wrap a rope around the impeller and start it like an old outboard motor*** (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) .... Yup, I am old. *** Another really bad idea |
Sleepin |
Jun 21 2008, 09:40 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,647 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Grand Junction, Co. Member No.: 8,357 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Nope ... push started. Maybe he could wrap a rope around the impeller and start it like an old outboard motor*** (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) .... Yup, I am old. *** Another really bad idea Which is the bad idea? Getting old or starting an outboard with a rope? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) I remember those ropes, my dad had a collection of old outboards....fun for a 6 year old to try to do! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) |
SLITS |
Jun 21 2008, 10:19 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Nope ... push started. Maybe he could wrap a rope around the impeller and start it like an old outboard motor*** (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) .... Yup, I am old. *** Another really bad idea Which is the bad idea? Getting old or starting an outboard with a rope? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) I remember those ropes, my dad had a collection of old outboards....fun for a 6 year old to try to do! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Doooh .... starting a 914 with a rope around the impeller. sheeeeesh |
Sleepin |
Jun 21 2008, 10:28 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,647 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Grand Junction, Co. Member No.: 8,357 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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Katmanken |
Jun 21 2008, 10:36 AM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Science and Technology magazine just had an article on the electric start button. They went into great detail how hand cranks fell out of favor. Google hand cranking model 'T's..... Seems that once the engine starts, the hand crank is spun by the starting engine and can result in a good whack to the hand and arm.... Model T's also had adjustable spark ignition that kept engine RPM's low.... Crank the engine, it starts (poorly and slowly) and then you run to the adjustable ignition to reset the ignition to the faster idle speed. In the late 20's hand cranks rapidl fell out of favor with the invention of the electric starter. Yeah, fixing a broken arm is gotta be cheaper than replacing a flywheel.... A scrap two by four and some duct tape to set the arm in place, and you are good to crank it again. Ken |
Todd Enlund |
Jun 21 2008, 12:40 PM
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Resident Photoshop Guru Group: Members Posts: 3,251 Joined: 24-August 07 From: Laurelhurst (Portland), Oregon Member No.: 8,032 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
On one episode of Top Gear, they had an old hand crank car... I think it was a DeDion-Bouton. They said that every person on the staff of the museum had their wrist broken by that thing at some point.
A guy I knew in College had an electrical problem in his '65 Mustang, so he parked at the top of a hill... |
Gint |
Jun 21 2008, 01:38 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,082 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Just park it on a hill and roll start it before you cut it up to do a hand crank on that front pulley. That idea sounds like a sure fire Darwin award recipe. I don't know about you but I've broken enough limbs dickin around with 914s.
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JRust |
Jun 21 2008, 02:51 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,307 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Corvallis Oregon Member No.: 129 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
There has got to be somebody close that can lend you the space. I'd gladly help you if you were close to me. Even an inexperienced guy can do it fairly quickly with a little help. I'd sure consider replaceing some of your clutch components if you are pulling it apart (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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turtleturtle |
Jun 21 2008, 03:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 127 Joined: 4-September 07 From: Corpus Christi Member No.: 8,074 |
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SLITS |
Jun 21 2008, 03:50 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
A guy I knew in College had an electrical problem in his '65 Mustang, so he parked at the top of a hill... Corpus Christi is flat. No hills or mountains at all, until you get into San Antonio 3 hours north. But you're close to our southern brothers ... you can hire a gaggle to push you when needed for not many pesos. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Jeff Duncan is in Rockport .... maybe he has room for a couple of hours. |
turtleturtle |
Jun 21 2008, 04:28 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 127 Joined: 4-September 07 From: Corpus Christi Member No.: 8,074 |
Well, instead of breaking my arm making a hand crank, I have desided to take out the tranny. I have started taking off my axels.
Anyone know where I can get a step by step process of a transmission removale? |
r_towle |
Jun 21 2008, 04:35 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,585 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
jack up car.
Remove the following items. Drive axles. Muffler. Tranny ground strap Starter motor Shifter rod Speedo Cable (disconnect from tranny, move out of the way) Clutch cable (ditto) Put a jack under the rear of the motor. remove the rear tranny mounting bolts. lower motor a bit, rear of tranny will now drop. Unbolt the tranny to motor bolts. Now, the tranny weighs about 60-75 lbs. I can do this on my back...but you may want to use a jack to help. Pull the tranny off the motor, but never NEVER rest the motor on the flywheel pilot bearing. So when you start pulling, always hold the wieght, never let it hang. It needs to come out about 2-3 inches to pull the drive shaft our of the motor...then all the wieght is yours, so be prepared. Lay it down on the floor. Remove the pressure plate and clutch remove the flywheel. Reverse direction for installation. Rich |
jimtab |
Jun 21 2008, 08:10 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,477 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Pacifica, California Member No.: 91 Region Association: Northern California |
I had a Triumph TR-2 that could be started with a hand crank that came with the car. It worked great the 2 or 3 times I had to use it because the starter took a shit....and it disengaged automatically when the engine caught so no broken bits....but it was a hellova lot of work to crank that MF tractor motor over I can tell you, and I was a young pup then.....
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ericread |
Jun 21 2008, 08:18 PM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
jack up car. Remove the following items. Drive axles. Muffler. Tranny ground strap Starter motor Shifter rod Speedo Cable (disconnect from tranny, move out of the way) Clutch cable (ditto) Put a jack under the rear of the motor. remove the rear tranny mounting bolts. lower motor a bit, rear of tranny will now drop. Unbolt the tranny to motor bolts. Now, the tranny weighs about 60-75 lbs. I can do this on my back...but you may want to use a jack to help. Pull the tranny off the motor, but never NEVER rest the motor on the flywheel pilot bearing. So when you start pulling, always hold the wieght, never let it hang. It needs to come out about 2-3 inches to pull the drive shaft our of the motor...then all the wieght is yours, so be prepared. Lay it down on the floor. Remove the pressure plate and clutch remove the flywheel. Reverse direction for installation. Rich I'm getting ready (in a few weeks) to perform a clutch job on my tranny. This may seem like a pretty stupid question, but how do you ensure you are not placing any weight on the drive shaft/flywheel pilot bearing while removing the transmission? Or, as you pull the transmission out, is some weight OK as long as no substantial weight rests on the pilot bearing? Eric Read (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
scotty b |
Jun 21 2008, 08:26 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
OR you could find an abandoned bicycle, remove the pedal assembly, seperate it so that you now have one arm and one pedal. Now take the pedal and arm assembly, make a bracket on the side of your car to hold it firmly in position but allow it to rotate. From there you will ned to fabricate an extensive yet simple set of arms and levers up to the bellhousing. Remove the starter and run your final piece of linkage straight to the flywheel teeth. At the end of this piece of linkage will be a spring loaded mechanism that will engage the flywheel teeth upon you depressing the pedal and when you release the pedal the teeth disengage. For the teeth you could possibly use and old flywheel section, cut and rebent in the opposite direction, or possibly your neighbors dentures.
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