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J P Stein
post Mar 30 2003, 08:22 AM
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Clear skies, a running car and AUTOCROSS !!

I'm going to go play, now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif)
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post Mar 30 2003, 08:51 AM
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cool!!!
let us know how things went

cheers,

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post Mar 30 2003, 04:21 PM
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Where the hell is JP with the details?
They only run three lap us there, how long could it take? :-)
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post Mar 30 2003, 04:38 PM
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Im a little bummed I bitched out and didnt make the drive south. Sounds like fun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Mar 30 2003, 05:29 PM
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Well, the car is faster.

My co driver was a tenth off the TTOD Z06.
I was ...er...farther back....a life time of 2.5 sec. The ought6 is normally the fastest door slammer at the local SCCA events.

There's more in the car even with the old tires.
It was LOOSE. I have too much camber in the rear.
The inside of the rears was 20 deg hotter than the outside, the fronts were 20 deg cooler than the rears, but fairly even across. Gotta back off the front bar, me thinks.

Someone talk to me about tire pressures. On my 4th run (6 passes on the car) the car was really squirrely. After that run, the pressure had risen 6 psi at the rear. I dropped the pressure back to 28 at the rear and that seemed to help.

Feel free to offer advise, please.

How low can one go on Kumhos?.. and
Does dropping the pressure provide more grip or am I just imagining it.

Everyone got 5 passes and should have gotten more (we did get fun runs, tho). I took nearly an hour to break into the trailer
that holds all the goodies. Someone changed the lock.......keerist.

Nuthin' broke, so it was a good test. SCCA in 2 weeks. We'll be ready.

BTW, Boring Bruce was there with his digi camera, so I might have some pics to bore you all with....film at eleven. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)
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post Mar 30 2003, 08:16 PM
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I'm downloading them thar pics now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I rode with JP on his first run & added 3 seconds to it. This was my first time at AX and (Lordy) I didn't know what to expect. (Jim Chambers said I'd get throw'n around alot) I din't fully understand by what alot was (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I found out! Geeze! JPs car is FAST... I couldn't recover fast enough from one turn before we were into another... head bumping against the back & the top.... shoulders hit'n the roll bar... and then, of all things, my camera went shoot'n out from betwix'd mah legs and under JPs throttle foot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) We're still fly'n around the corner & I'm hear'n JP "Grab the damn thang"!!
So, there ya have it... The whole extra 3 second story (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Oh, and lastly.... I'm hooked. I'll be driv'n mine next time. Pics comin' yer way JP.
Thanks for the great time
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post Mar 30 2003, 10:14 PM
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I was there too but don't tell anybody. I'm hoping I beat the guy driving the full size Mercury 4 door (it will be close). Finished 5 seconds behind a stock 1.7 in my 2.5 six. 5 runs--spun out on #1 and screwed up the slalom after that. Hit a cone on #2, spun out again on #4. Two clean runs--both real slow! I added a race seat and 5 point harness since last year and it really helps to be held still in the car. I think my spins were partly caused by the fact that, since I wasn't being flung around as much, the car didn't feel out of control until it was! As JP said, "practice, practice, practice,......".
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post Mar 30 2003, 10:26 PM
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Jim, send me your email address and I'll send your pics to ya.
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bcaphoto at attbi dot com (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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post Mar 30 2003, 11:09 PM
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Bruce took some great shots....after retrieving his camera. Here's one.
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post Mar 30 2003, 11:21 PM
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GREAT shot.

I love when people enjoy there 914 on the edge....

I'll revisit your questions above later JP.

Those Kuhmo's roll way over....


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post Mar 30 2003, 11:23 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) OMG! That's coool. I love when they cock one at the hydrant! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
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post Mar 30 2003, 11:28 PM
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Nice pict. Looks like a good time!

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post Mar 30 2003, 11:34 PM
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Bruce was nice enuff not to get any of my more lurid
slides....he,he. here's another
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post Mar 30 2003, 11:53 PM
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Way too much body roll.

Give the suspension low down...

I know the front bar.

It appears you need to run some stiffer rear springs.

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post Mar 31 2003, 12:00 AM
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Geeze man! any stiffer springs & JP will need to install a shock seat! I'm sure I'm gonna be bruised in the morning (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) but it sure was fun!
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post Mar 31 2003, 12:05 AM
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Bruce,


I'm actually semi pissed at JP for allowing you to bring a flying object into the car. I have almost killed people on the race track that where hand holding a video camera and trying to drive while filming.

I'm done now. Glad you had fun. 90% of 914 owners have NO idea what their car is capable of.


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post Mar 31 2003, 12:29 AM
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21 mm front t bars, 180 lb rear springs, 2lb digital camera... OOPS.....what can I tell ya, I screwed up.
I WAS almost kilt....or worse, slow.


I'm reluctant to do stiffer t bars at the front.
The stiffer rears will make the car looser, right?
The second pic is a little deceptive. That corner is off camber.
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post Mar 31 2003, 12:34 AM
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Where did you have the bar set ??

Your forgiven (dad) next time I'm up there... I'll slap the person who was running grid.


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post Mar 31 2003, 12:39 AM
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ERRR....I was running the grid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) he,he

I set the bar just a little passed mid point towards the bar....for lack of a better idea.....now I have a better idea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 31 2003, 12:48 AM
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You have to tighten the front to make the rear stick or transfer weight back there (drop the rear end 1/4 inch)

Did you have the car corner weighted ??

Last weekend when Jeroen and I ran the Orange 3.0 six... I had the 31mm bar set on full SOFT and the back end was still GLUED. I felt the front end was understeering like a pig for my liking. I had 4 options:

1. raise the rear and dump weight forward (easy to do with threaded adjusters)
2. raise the rear tire pressure
3. lower the front tire pressure
4. blow it off because I dont run AutoX in zone7 for points.

I left to get food and Jeroen dropped the front tire pressure. This helped when I made another run. The car is on narrow Hoosiers with 250 rear springs and 22 front Torsion bars.

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