OT: Anybody hear about Pontiac? Options

[dbgriffith75]

There wasn't a lot of detailed discussion about it, but on the morning talk show they were saying that by this time next year, GM will have discontinued production of the Pontiac brand.

Just wondering if anybody else heard about this?

[Todd Enlund]

There wasn't a lot of detailed discussion about it, but on the morning talk show they were saying that by this time next year, GM will have discontinued production of the Pontiac brand.

Just wondering if anybody else heard about this?

I heard Saturn and Saab as well.

[Krieger]

Yes, andlast I heard the Saturn dealers were trying to come up with $ to buy the brand.

[Cap'n Krusty]

I thought this list was made up of "CAR GUYS"! It's been all over the news, the papers, and the internet. Try Autoweek online, autoextremist.com, the LA Times online, and thousands of other sources. Big stories, photos of favorite muscle cars, and much more, all in great detail. BTW, it was announced yesterday. Saturn and SAAB have been "old news" for months.

Go here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/uptospeed/...obituaries.html

The Cap'n

[smontanaro]

I thought this list was made up of "CAR GUYS"! It's been all over the news, the papers, and the internet. Try Autoweek online, autoextremist.com, the LA Times online, and thousands of other sources.

Hell, try CNBC! (I work for a trading firm and have a TV blasting CNBC right above my head all day long...)

Skip

[RJMII]

I heard a rumor that DeSoto is going under also... What next, Plymouth???

[rfuerst911sc]

GM is going to be a mere shell of itself very soon. They will probably end up filing chapter 11 bankruptcy and will shed more than just Pontiac,Saturn,Hummer and Saab. I bet GMC and maybe Buick will be gone. At least 1000 - 1200 dealerships will close or be forced to sell other brands. While it can be said management really screwed up GM it's the every day line workers that will suffer. It's sad. Hopefully in the end they come out as a viable business with a plan for the future. Chryslers not far behind.

[dbgriffith75]

I thought this list was made up of "CAR GUYS"! It's been all over the news, the papers, and the internet. Try Autoweek online, autoextremist.com, the LA Times online, and thousands of other sources. Big stories, photos of favorite muscle cars, and much more, all in great detail. BTW, it was announced yesterday. Saturn and SAAB have been "old news" for months.

Go here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/uptospeed/...obituaries.html

The Cap'n

I thought this list was made up of "CAR GUYS"! It's been all over the news, the papers, and the internet. Try Autoweek online, autoextremist.com, the LA Times online, and thousands of other sources.

Hell, try CNBC! (I work for a trading firm and have a TV blasting CNBC right above my head all day long...)

Skip

I generally don't give a damn about "news." Usually in the Des Moines area a "headlining story" on the news is about how the county keeps bitching about wanting a new courthouse or- and I'm not bullshitting here- the new set up and design of the Channel 8 studios. They actually opened a program with the new design of their studio as the #1 item on the list. This is news? No, it doesn't mean a damn thing to me. I don't bother watching the news except for the weather, and even then they're wrong 7 out of 7 days of the week.

I have better things to spend my money and time on then a newspaper- and I have no interest in actually pursuing information about current affairs on the net- so the source for most of my news is whatever I hear on the morning radio talk show- only made tolerable by the personalities announcing it.

Yeah, that's right- f*ck Larry King too- f*ck him right in the ear!
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[Pat Garvey]

GM is going to be a mere shell of itself very soon. They will probably end up filing chapter 11 bankruptcy and will shed more than just Pontiac,Saturn,Hummer and Saab. I bet GMC and maybe Buick will be gone. At least 1000 - 1200 dealerships will close or be forced to sell other brands. While it can be said management really screwed up GM it's the every day line workers that will suffer. It's sad. Hopefully in the end they come out as a viable business with a plan for the future. Chryslers not far behind.

Well, according to the followers of the Great Obama, Chrysler has until Thursady to meld itself with Fiat - there's a real match made in heaven! Should have added Renault into the mix. Too bad Yugo isn't still around - would have made aperfect triumvirate.

I'd say more about why these things are happening, but would just get banned again.

Wake up people....please!
Pat

[ellisor3]

The UAW is potentially taking over GM in a preferred stock deal and in effect jumping over the GM bond holders if they go bankrupt. What a crock. This could only happen in America where for 80 years bondholders were first in line if a company goes bankrupt to get their money back, now the UAW and the US Government make this deal. They are making up the rules as they go along. I am one of the currently hated financial people and I can tell you this is a huge problem in our financial market when the government decided who lives and dies in a capitalist society. The bond holders of GM just got (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) Let the UAW have them. All aboard the Titanic. With the UAW potentially owning GM, watch what they do to the only survivor, Ford. The UAW is now a competitor of Ford.

The Chrysler Fiat deal will probably happen even if Chrysler goes bankrupt. It will be an easier deal if they do.

Sorry, this should have been posted OT, or in the sandbox but this government can (IMG:style_emoticons/default/KMA.gif)

[dbgriffith75]

The UAW is now a competitor of Ford.

I could be wrong here- and probably am- but I thought the UAW worked for all the major vehicle manufacturers... or does each manufacturer have it's own pet name for their given union?

[Rotary'14]

Why couldn't GM sell the Pontiac name brand, instead of letting it die?! I would think it could potentially be worth some $$.

just a thought,,,
-Rob

[ArtechnikA]

Why couldn't GM sell the Pontiac name brand, instead of letting it die?! I would think it could potentially be worth some $$.

And all ya gotta do is support a 100-year old product line with no production facilities and no tooling...

As much as I like Pontiac, and I do except when their drivers get whiney about Porsches beating them in Rolex GT, they're not much but rebadged Chevrolets.

(As are Buicks, and Oldsmobiles, and...)

[zymurgist]

I heard a rumor that DeSoto is going under also... What next, Plymouth???

Aw shit. Should I be stocking up on LaSalle parts, too?

[Zimms]

As much as I like Pontiac, and I do except when their drivers get whiney about Porsches beating them in Rolex GT, they're not much but rebadged Chevrolets.

I know you know this, but the GA G6s are tube frame wonders with no similarites to the street cars, while the Porsches are built starting with the production unibody. They and the "production" Mazdas are just silly.

I am sad to see the Solstice and G8 die. Signs of hope and promise that didn't sell enough to pay the bills.

[ArtechnikA]

I know you know this, but the GA G6s are tube frame wonders with no similarites to the street cars, while the Porsches are built starting with the production unibody. They and the "production" Mazdas are just silly.

Yes, but they did at least have 'Pontiac' engines, as did some of the prototype cars, and they won quite a few races the past few seasons. (Toyota seems to be the flavor of the day just now tho.) I think it's good for the sport when any manufacturer supports with a nameplate vehicle.

You still have some Corvette factory support, at least in ALMS. I can never remember if Cadillac is in or out...

[Krieger]

It's almost time to learn how to speak chinese. Soon we will work for them.

[Zimms]

Yes, but they did at least have 'Pontiac' engines, as did some of the prototype cars, and they won quite a few races the past few seasons. (Toyota seems to be the flavor of the day just now tho.) I think it's good for the sport when any manufacturer supports with a nameplate vehicle.

I agree with you 100%, and think GM had a smart strategy with their involvement in several different series.

Corvette should be adding more spice to GT2 starting at Mid Ohio. I think the Caddy's are done for now.

[rascobo]

To all those concerned about Government involvement;* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

Since 1980 'You've' been the 'Government' and done just about anything and everything (legal and otherwise)to remove any regulations, oversight and boundries, placed on Industry, and with astounding success. Now we're all paying the cost for it . I don't expect to hear anyone admit to self-serving gullibility, and self-delusion, much less, outright greed and deception. But now that they've f*#*ked everything up, I would hope they had at least enough shame to shut the f#*k up, and give others a fair chance to try and fix it.
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[buck toenges]

My wife has a 2004 suburban and it is a great vehicle. I'd buy another GM car without hesitation UNTIL the uaw and great glorious leader take over. Never will I buy a car that has been made from a company that has the uaw as the owner. All that money that was poured down the black hole of GM recently was for one purpose: to payback the uaw and allow that corrupt system to thrive. Who needs capitalism anymore? We got great and glorious leader to handle all our problems. As long as we hand him all our freedom and money.
I have spoken,
Buck