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Turn key...and nothing |
craig3x |
Jun 11 2009, 06:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 18-April 09 From: Sacramento Member No.: 10,275 Region Association: None |
I recently aquired a bone stock '75 with a 1.8 and was told it ran great last time it was started 6 months ago. So I charged the battery, turned the key....and nothing. The other electronics work though. I can hear the fuel pump kick on, headlights pop up, horn works, etc.
Does it sound like an ignition switch problem, or a starter problem? Or something else I'm not thinking of? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) |
SLITS |
Jun 11 2009, 06:45 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
The ignition switch could be broken internally not making contact in the start position. You said all the other lights come on.
How about the wire to the starter being disconnected at the solenoid somehow (yellow wire to spade terminal)?d You can jump the starter between the large top pole on the solenoid and the spade terminal to test the starter. Make sure it is out of gear first though. You can turn the key on and do the above and see if it will start. |
jmill |
Jun 11 2009, 07:09 PM
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Green Hornet Group: Members Posts: 2,449 Joined: 9-May 08 From: Racine, Wisconsin Member No.: 9,038 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Mechanically agitate the starter with a hammer. Sometimes the solenoid gets stuck. Hammer blow frees it up. Before you do that tighten battery connections. A loose connection will run the lights but starter can't draw enough amps. BTDT.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Jun 11 2009, 07:21 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
"Some" '75s have the seat belt interlock relay under the passenger seat. If this is one of them, make sure the 2 big yellow wires are bridged. Make sure you have good battery connections, and that the tranny ground strap is good, then jack the car up, chock the front wheels, make sure it's in neutral, and jump from the battery cable post on the solenoid to the tab where the yellow actuator wire is connected. If it cranks when you do that, look to the ignition switch. BTW, whacking on the starter or its solenoid is a BAD idea.
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craig3x |
Jun 11 2009, 08:36 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 18-April 09 From: Sacramento Member No.: 10,275 Region Association: None |
I will try that, thanks
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jmill |
Jun 11 2009, 09:18 PM
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Green Hornet Group: Members Posts: 2,449 Joined: 9-May 08 From: Racine, Wisconsin Member No.: 9,038 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
BTW, whacking on the starter or its solenoid is a BAD idea. The Cap'n The solenoid is a magnetic coil, spring and plunger with a set of contacts for the motor. After sitting for long periods plungers hang up. I think it's a bad idea to buy a new starter when one smack of a deadblow would suffice. If your tripping over cash go ahead and buy a new starter for a hung up solenoid. |
Gint |
Jun 11 2009, 09:31 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,082 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
If whacking a solenoid with a hammer to get it rotating, you're already beyod the point that the hammering will make anything worse. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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craig3x |
Jun 11 2009, 10:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 18-April 09 From: Sacramento Member No.: 10,275 Region Association: None |
If whacking a solenoid with a hammer to get it rotating, you're already beyod the point that the hammering will make anything worse. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) jiggled the ignition very hard and got it to turn over. Fired right up. Took it on it's first drive in 4 years (after changing oil of course) I notice when I let off the gas, the rpms like to stay up for a second or two before it drops down. hmmm??? |
Gint |
Jun 11 2009, 10:13 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,082 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Behind the key is the actual switch. It's in a white plastic body. It's broken/cracked/etc...
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yellow914 |
Jun 11 2009, 10:17 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 183 Joined: 28-March 08 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 8,861 Region Association: Northern California |
I have a 75, 1.8...and i noticed when this happened that if I could wiggle the key enough to get the fuel gauge to register it would start otherwise no way although everything seemed to work...and yes it was the ignition switch...easy fix...and cheap too!
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xperu |
Jun 12 2009, 06:36 AM
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TEXAS Group: Members Posts: 597 Joined: 13-June 06 From: League City Texas Member No.: 6,213 Region Association: None |
I will try that, thanks I had the same problem just as you discribed, it turned out to be the white plastic switch. The old one was replaced "it was badly cracked" so I replaced it with a new one, turned out the new switch was bad, so I replace it and the car started right up. Mike |
jimkelly |
Jun 12 2009, 06:59 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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Rotary'14 |
Jun 12 2009, 07:15 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 24-April 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 3,977 |
If whacking a solenoid with a hammer to get it rotating, you're already beyod the point that the hammering will make anything worse. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) jiggled the ignition very hard and got it to turn over. Fired right up. Took it on it's first drive in 4 years (after changing oil of course) I notice when I let off the gas, the rpms like to stay up for a second or two before it drops down. hmmm??? I think if you need to jiggle the key, the problem lies near the ignition switch. I bet the plastic part is cracked. Easy to change, just be sure to disconnect your battery. If your RPM "floats", I would check the throttle return spring, and make sure you don't have too much play in your throttle cable. -Rob |
SLITS |
Jun 12 2009, 07:57 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
The RPM will "float" if your deacceleration valve is working correctly. An emission device that on closed throttle adds air to the intake system to avoid an overly rich mixture going out the tail pipe. Only comes into play during deacceleration.
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craig3x |
Jun 12 2009, 12:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 18-April 09 From: Sacramento Member No.: 10,275 Region Association: None |
The RPM will "float" if your deacceleration valve is working correctly. An emission device that on closed throttle adds air to the intake system to avoid an overly rich mixture going out the tail pipe. Only comes into play during deacceleration. Any pictures of that part or where it is? |
SLITS |
Jun 12 2009, 12:50 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
#19 in the image and yes, I will provide a link to the image.
Diagram Usually mounted, passenger side, front of engine or engine compartment sidewall. |
craig3x |
Jun 12 2009, 04:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 18-April 09 From: Sacramento Member No.: 10,275 Region Association: None |
#19 in the image and yes, I will provide a link to the image. Diagram Usually mounted, passenger side, front of engine or engine compartment sidewall. Awesome. thanks! But I thin k I have found the problem. When I step on the pedal, it stick a bit and slowly drags back. I ched the spring at the throttle body and opened it by hand. It snapped right back. I'm guessing I have a throttle cable problem. Probably lots of corosion/dragging in the sleeve. Or maybe a pedal problem?? |
Katmanken |
Jun 12 2009, 05:33 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Pedals are notorious for rusting at the hinge and hanging up....
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craig3x |
Jun 12 2009, 05:46 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 18-April 09 From: Sacramento Member No.: 10,275 Region Association: None |
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Katmanken |
Jun 12 2009, 05:51 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Depends,
Won't hurt to try to free it up, those 911/914 pedals are expen$ive. |
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