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> Are We Stifling Creativity?
McMark
post Mar 8 2008, 01:49 PM
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This forum is a great place to share ideas and get some feedback. Over the years we have built up a broad base of 'common knowledge'. The problem with common knowledge is that it can stifle creativity. For example, we just had a thread about large bore four cylinder motors, and it immediately received the standard response (myself included). It was also suggested that the place to talk about new and experimental ideas for these motors is another site.

I'm just worried that people are afraid to post about their new ideas, for fear of being told why it won't work, why they should have done something else, etc. In fact I know of one person who sent out a really cool email about some 914 work he did, but didn't post it here for exactly the reason above.

What's the 914World like from your perspective?
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post Mar 9 2008, 12:12 AM
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I don't think stifling creativity is the right concept. I do that that conepts people have get shot down when they seem to have no idea what is going on. Not to sound arrogant (since I really don't know much about type IVs), but IMHO posts like the 'massive' one get shot down because often the creators seem to come up with a goal that seems unrealistic and everyone wants to top them before a huge expenditure ends in failure.

Many ideas are shot down because we (collectively) don't want other people wasting their time. In that case, Steven didn't mention that he had ever built an engine before, or that he had access to a machine shot, or that he really had any idea what was going on. In that case, it just seems like a recipe for failure as there is no knowledge implied, nor any background information given.

Sorry Steven, I don't mean to jump on your post; it is simply most prevalent in my recent memory.

When ideas are presented in a clear and well though out (or at least seemingly well thought out way) I think that people are more accepting and genuinely interested in the results. I know I am.

I know that people should be able to try anything they want, but sometimes it just seems like the ideas thrown out are missing a large dose of reality. As in engine building, you can have power, long life, or cost effectiveness. At most you can get 2/3, and sometimes only 1/3 of that list. I think that as a group people tend to be steered away from projects when it seems like they don't have a grasp of concepts like that.

Continuing on the engine building trend, Richard (IDK his sn) posted of ridiculous TIV builds using rather cost effective mixes of components. His posts were way out there (as far as creativity goes), but he was received with great anticipation by many people because of this innovation. I think what was most interesting about his posts was the fact that he came in with a game plan, and had thought the project through thoroughly.

People don't get that kind of reception when they waltz in with no apparent knowledge and then ask what to do in order to accomplish some crazy goal.

I personally am guilty of trying to turn people away from projects that (in my mind) they have not thought about and really seem to be looking for a shopping list of parts to complete them. I think that a large part of the problem grows from the fact that alot of us do not know each other, and in that do not know each other's strengths/weaknesses/experiences. When someone asks if they can do something and doesn't give nay background information their ideas tend to get squashed.

That said certain thread's responses do confuse me. Why did so many people jump on the power steering rack guy? That seemed like a very valid question.
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McMark   Are We Stifling Creativity?   Mar 8 2008, 01:49 PM
Brando   I'd rather post my idea and find out from some...   Mar 8 2008, 01:56 PM
r_towle   or me personally, this open exchange of ideas rega...   Mar 8 2008, 02:23 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   The hard part about our little cars is that with t...   Mar 8 2008, 02:30 PM
boxstr   I think you have to be thick skinned to post here ...   Mar 8 2008, 02:35 PM
r_towle   I think you have to be thick skinned to post here...   Mar 8 2008, 02:38 PM
rick 918-S   I think you have to be thick skinned to post her...   Mar 8 2008, 11:00 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :agree: That is why I keep my mouth shut about sla...   Mar 8 2008, 02:38 PM
r_towle   Overall, when it comes to motors, I keep my result...   Mar 8 2008, 02:43 PM
Rand   :trophy: I love the balance between thinking outs...   Mar 8 2008, 02:48 PM
carr914   I guess my only beef is that nobody seems to use t...   Mar 8 2008, 02:53 PM
orthobiz   I guess my only beef is that nobody seems to use ...   Mar 8 2008, 03:28 PM
Rand   I guess my only beef is that nobody seems to use ...   Mar 8 2008, 03:51 PM
dw914er   well, the creativity is sorta why i posted the dri...   Mar 8 2008, 02:56 PM
ws91420   My response to the big bore four thread was based ...   Mar 8 2008, 03:07 PM
lotus_65   well i don't get the results from the search f...   Mar 8 2008, 04:10 PM
chris914   I really appreciate anyone that takes the time to ...   Mar 8 2008, 04:20 PM
swl   Rand is right that the fun here is the (near) real...   Mar 8 2008, 05:18 PM
drive-ability   Once my car is done, the funs over and I'll se...   Mar 8 2008, 05:41 PM
KaptKaos   As our little cars go up in value, our pinkies see...   Mar 8 2008, 05:41 PM
dw914er   As our little cars go up in value, our pinkies se...   Mar 8 2008, 07:37 PM
ConeDodger   This is a somewhat natural order of things. Any id...   Mar 8 2008, 06:35 PM
sww914   I'm guilty, to some degree, of what you've...   Mar 8 2008, 06:58 PM
brer   This is actually a private gripe of mine. Other ...   Mar 8 2008, 07:04 PM
Eric_Shea   I'm with ya. The Lambo doors comes to mind ...   Mar 8 2008, 08:30 PM
BMXerror   Are We Stifling Creativity? Well, the short ans...   Mar 8 2008, 08:36 PM
Pat Garvey   "stiffling creativity" I have my doubts...   Mar 8 2008, 08:43 PM
SGB   Well this thread has covered a lot. Re: Search and...   Mar 8 2008, 08:54 PM
twoskinuts   Stifling maybe alittle more discouraging for the p...   Mar 8 2008, 09:02 PM
turbo914v8   Stifling maybe alittle more discouraging for the ...   Mar 9 2008, 04:00 PM
Jake Raby   I'll elaborate from my point of view on Monday...   Mar 8 2008, 09:04 PM
alpha434   This forum is a great place to share ideas and ge...   Mar 8 2008, 09:18 PM
SirAndy   Let's see.... The first time I got reamed by ...   Mar 9 2008, 08:57 PM
roadster fan   I'll elaborate from my point of view on Monda...   Mar 8 2008, 09:39 PM
911quest   I guess I'm an old hot rodder at heart F**K an...   Mar 8 2008, 10:46 PM
biosurfer1   I have never really gotten into anything heated wi...   Mar 8 2008, 11:27 PM
jd74914   I don't think stifling creativity is the right...   Mar 9 2008, 12:12 AM
scotty b   From my point of view and I think this is probably...   Mar 9 2008, 09:16 AM
brer   Thats why this forum doesn't get my vote fo...   Mar 9 2008, 11:22 AM
356   Try posting on the 356 Registry. If I hear ...   Mar 9 2008, 09:30 AM
ConeDodger   We all have our point of view or context through w...   Mar 9 2008, 10:37 AM
TC.356   You ARE a bunch of snobs . . . . worse than the 35...   Mar 9 2008, 11:52 AM
356   Hmmm, this forum "supports Jake". I w...   Mar 9 2008, 11:53 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :agree: People are always having 4 vs 6. Jake gets...   Mar 9 2008, 02:25 PM
dw914er   for the rat rod 914, if you build it, i want to se...   Mar 9 2008, 03:13 PM
Mark Henry   Paul is one of the nicest and smartest guys out th...   Mar 9 2008, 05:05 PM
SirAndy   Paul is one of the nicest and smartest guys out t...   Mar 9 2008, 08:59 PM
Mark Henry   Paul is one of the nicest and smartest guys out ...   Mar 10 2008, 06:20 AM
pffft   Paul is one of the nicest and smartest guys out t...   Mar 10 2008, 08:32 PM
356   Why be afraid of posting? I post my drivel, stir ...   Mar 9 2008, 05:14 PM
geniusanthony   I believe that this question was posed at the righ...   Mar 9 2008, 05:54 PM
914-8   It seems to me of all the things the 914 has suffe...   Mar 9 2008, 06:02 PM
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Borderline   more common sense thinkin. yeah, good luck w...   Mar 9 2008, 10:13 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   more common sense thinkin. yeah, good luck ...   Mar 9 2008, 10:40 PM
SirAndy   Are We Stifling Creativity? yes. no. maybe. some...   Mar 9 2008, 08:49 PM
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Pat Garvey   You "really" need to understand the c...   Mar 10 2008, 07:33 PM
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SirAndy   ok guys, timeout ... you need to put things in pe...   Mar 9 2008, 11:27 PM
pete-stevers   i miss this..... been a long time since we had suc...   Mar 10 2008, 12:05 AM
racerx9146   I can comment that I rarely post due to the respon...   Mar 10 2008, 09:28 AM
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