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> Are We Stifling Creativity?
McMark
post Mar 8 2008, 01:49 PM
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This forum is a great place to share ideas and get some feedback. Over the years we have built up a broad base of 'common knowledge'. The problem with common knowledge is that it can stifle creativity. For example, we just had a thread about large bore four cylinder motors, and it immediately received the standard response (myself included). It was also suggested that the place to talk about new and experimental ideas for these motors is another site.

I'm just worried that people are afraid to post about their new ideas, for fear of being told why it won't work, why they should have done something else, etc. In fact I know of one person who sent out a really cool email about some 914 work he did, but didn't post it here for exactly the reason above.

What's the 914World like from your perspective?
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post Mar 9 2008, 09:16 AM
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From my point of view and I think this is probably how Jake and Eric and a few others here may feel.

Some of us do this work for a living. We know and have persued our career/passion to the highest degree. When others come on posting about this idea and that idea, we may not be too responsive to the idea because we know it is not the BEST way to go about it. For me, yeah you guys can scuff your paint and lay some Nason down on it. BUT if you ask my opinion in private I will tell you that is going to make for a shitty job that most likely will peel off in 3-4 years. YOU might be completely happy with your job though. I try to refrain from making personal comments on others body and paint work because I realize they have a lot of pride in the job they did, no matter how poor it is to my eyes. I think Jake is just a little less forgiving when it comes to commenting on others work.

We are passionate about doing things the absolute best way it can be done. We know what a better and longer lasting job it will be when done our way.
I would LOVE to be able to build a 2270 using cheaper parts. Jakes kits are unbdoubtedly the BEST way to go but I just can't afford it. Much like many of you can't afford one of my, Rick's or Perry's restorations. BUT you guys also need to realize you get what you pay for. I have seen several threads ( one in particular recently ) bashing a body shop for their crappy work. WELL did you spend 1500 on that repair or did you spend 5000 on the repair? Same goes for your engine.

I have pretty much stopped replying to posts about body, paint, and welding. It's just futile. Everyone here that bought a 500.00 welder knows more than I do despite my 12 certifications. I can also tell you I know for a fact there are guys here who are better welders than I am who don't respond. I could site a thread from a couple years ago when someone bashed a particular stick rod claiming it to be junk. Problem wasn't the rod it, was the user,that rod is one that needs to be manipulated. It is for a specific type of joint. But since he couldn't run it like it was a 7018 it is automatically a POS. THAT is the gist of my post in a nutshell.

I enjoy the articles on odd engine builds. Whatever happend to the person building the 2.2 or 2.3 using everything from Rabbit rods to Chevy bearings?I agree the standard response is " Buy on of Jakes kits " GREAT idea IF you can afford it. But Jake got to where he is by experimenting and by God if someone here can builkd a better and cheaper mousetrap we should support him just as we have, and will support Jake.


Oh and BTW[/color] who is using PAT'S computer ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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McMark   Are We Stifling Creativity?   Mar 8 2008, 01:49 PM
Brando   I'd rather post my idea and find out from some...   Mar 8 2008, 01:56 PM
r_towle   or me personally, this open exchange of ideas rega...   Mar 8 2008, 02:23 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   The hard part about our little cars is that with t...   Mar 8 2008, 02:30 PM
boxstr   I think you have to be thick skinned to post here ...   Mar 8 2008, 02:35 PM
r_towle   I think you have to be thick skinned to post here...   Mar 8 2008, 02:38 PM
rick 918-S   I think you have to be thick skinned to post her...   Mar 8 2008, 11:00 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :agree: That is why I keep my mouth shut about sla...   Mar 8 2008, 02:38 PM
r_towle   Overall, when it comes to motors, I keep my result...   Mar 8 2008, 02:43 PM
Rand   :trophy: I love the balance between thinking outs...   Mar 8 2008, 02:48 PM
carr914   I guess my only beef is that nobody seems to use t...   Mar 8 2008, 02:53 PM
orthobiz   I guess my only beef is that nobody seems to use ...   Mar 8 2008, 03:28 PM
Rand   I guess my only beef is that nobody seems to use ...   Mar 8 2008, 03:51 PM
dw914er   well, the creativity is sorta why i posted the dri...   Mar 8 2008, 02:56 PM
ws91420   My response to the big bore four thread was based ...   Mar 8 2008, 03:07 PM
lotus_65   well i don't get the results from the search f...   Mar 8 2008, 04:10 PM
chris914   I really appreciate anyone that takes the time to ...   Mar 8 2008, 04:20 PM
swl   Rand is right that the fun here is the (near) real...   Mar 8 2008, 05:18 PM
drive-ability   Once my car is done, the funs over and I'll se...   Mar 8 2008, 05:41 PM
KaptKaos   As our little cars go up in value, our pinkies see...   Mar 8 2008, 05:41 PM
dw914er   As our little cars go up in value, our pinkies se...   Mar 8 2008, 07:37 PM
ConeDodger   This is a somewhat natural order of things. Any id...   Mar 8 2008, 06:35 PM
sww914   I'm guilty, to some degree, of what you've...   Mar 8 2008, 06:58 PM
brer   This is actually a private gripe of mine. Other ...   Mar 8 2008, 07:04 PM
Eric_Shea   I'm with ya. The Lambo doors comes to mind ...   Mar 8 2008, 08:30 PM
BMXerror   Are We Stifling Creativity? Well, the short ans...   Mar 8 2008, 08:36 PM
Pat Garvey   "stiffling creativity" I have my doubts...   Mar 8 2008, 08:43 PM
SGB   Well this thread has covered a lot. Re: Search and...   Mar 8 2008, 08:54 PM
twoskinuts   Stifling maybe alittle more discouraging for the p...   Mar 8 2008, 09:02 PM
turbo914v8   Stifling maybe alittle more discouraging for the ...   Mar 9 2008, 04:00 PM
Jake Raby   I'll elaborate from my point of view on Monday...   Mar 8 2008, 09:04 PM
alpha434   This forum is a great place to share ideas and ge...   Mar 8 2008, 09:18 PM
SirAndy   Let's see.... The first time I got reamed by ...   Mar 9 2008, 08:57 PM
roadster fan   I'll elaborate from my point of view on Monda...   Mar 8 2008, 09:39 PM
911quest   I guess I'm an old hot rodder at heart F**K an...   Mar 8 2008, 10:46 PM
biosurfer1   I have never really gotten into anything heated wi...   Mar 8 2008, 11:27 PM
jd74914   I don't think stifling creativity is the right...   Mar 9 2008, 12:12 AM
scotty b   From my point of view and I think this is probably...   Mar 9 2008, 09:16 AM
brer   Thats why this forum doesn't get my vote fo...   Mar 9 2008, 11:22 AM
356   Try posting on the 356 Registry. If I hear ...   Mar 9 2008, 09:30 AM
ConeDodger   We all have our point of view or context through w...   Mar 9 2008, 10:37 AM
TC.356   You ARE a bunch of snobs . . . . worse than the 35...   Mar 9 2008, 11:52 AM
356   Hmmm, this forum "supports Jake". I w...   Mar 9 2008, 11:53 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :agree: People are always having 4 vs 6. Jake gets...   Mar 9 2008, 02:25 PM
dw914er   for the rat rod 914, if you build it, i want to se...   Mar 9 2008, 03:13 PM
Mark Henry   Paul is one of the nicest and smartest guys out th...   Mar 9 2008, 05:05 PM
SirAndy   Paul is one of the nicest and smartest guys out t...   Mar 9 2008, 08:59 PM
Mark Henry   Paul is one of the nicest and smartest guys out ...   Mar 10 2008, 06:20 AM
pffft   Paul is one of the nicest and smartest guys out t...   Mar 10 2008, 08:32 PM
356   Why be afraid of posting? I post my drivel, stir ...   Mar 9 2008, 05:14 PM
geniusanthony   I believe that this question was posed at the righ...   Mar 9 2008, 05:54 PM
914-8   It seems to me of all the things the 914 has suffe...   Mar 9 2008, 06:02 PM
Pat Garvey   It seems to me of all the things the 914 has suff...   Mar 9 2008, 08:00 PM
ChrisNPDrider   914World is the best combo of technical, loose eve...   Mar 9 2008, 08:06 PM
Borderline   more common sense thinkin. yeah, good luck w...   Mar 9 2008, 10:13 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   more common sense thinkin. yeah, good luck ...   Mar 9 2008, 10:40 PM
SirAndy   Are We Stifling Creativity? yes. no. maybe. some...   Mar 9 2008, 08:49 PM
Eric_Shea   You "really" need to understand the cl...   Mar 9 2008, 08:58 PM
Pat Garvey   You "really" need to understand the c...   Mar 10 2008, 07:33 PM
Eric_Shea   I think the first time you got reamed by this as...   Mar 9 2008, 09:10 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I think the first time you got reamed by this a...   Mar 9 2008, 10:31 PM
SirAndy   ok guys, timeout ... you need to put things in pe...   Mar 9 2008, 11:27 PM
pete-stevers   i miss this..... been a long time since we had suc...   Mar 10 2008, 12:05 AM
racerx9146   I can comment that I rarely post due to the respon...   Mar 10 2008, 09:28 AM
marks914   Just rememeber that you are building your car for ...   Mar 10 2008, 11:17 AM
SirAndy   Just rememeber that you are building your car for...   Mar 10 2008, 02:54 PM
r_towle   Just rememeber that you are building your car fo...   Mar 10 2008, 06:33 PM
Jake Raby   OK... Here is my dollars worth. I'll limit my...   Mar 10 2008, 11:19 AM
twoskinuts   Paul I used a quote from your PM to me to make a p...   Mar 10 2008, 12:07 PM
Rand   Dan, I really just want to encourage you to ignore...   Mar 10 2008, 12:13 PM
yenningComity   I say this site as well as another similar :unsur...   Mar 10 2008, 12:29 PM
Jake Raby   I have built engines with all those off the wall p...   Mar 10 2008, 12:36 PM
jimkelly   it seems to me that it is an indisputable FACT tha...   Mar 10 2008, 02:52 PM
Chris Hamilton   who here runs a type4 that puts out more than 12...   Mar 10 2008, 06:30 PM
JPB   I have them Hot WV mags of Jake doing his thing, y...   Mar 10 2008, 03:24 PM
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Rand   Nice JPB. Makes me want to revise my last answer t...   Mar 10 2008, 03:38 PM
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dw914er   i think it is time to move on basically, here is...   Mar 10 2008, 03:50 PM
Rand   i think it is time to move on cheers, Ben Matloc...   Mar 10 2008, 03:53 PM
dw914er   when i got the battery for my car last time, the g...   Mar 10 2008, 04:53 PM
Jake Raby   Remember: Nothing ever stays the same and thats ce...   Mar 10 2008, 06:46 PM
scotty b   How did this turn into another Jake thread? He was...   Mar 10 2008, 06:49 PM
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