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> What constitutes "restoration"?, Looks like the PCR's will put me in resto class next year
Pat Garvey
post Dec 12 2007, 08:59 PM
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I would hardly call my '72 914 "restored".

Yes, most of the exterior panels were repainted - in 1979!

But, the PCR gurus tell me it's "restored". One says if it was repainted anywhere, it's restored. Another says "if 30% of the panels were repainted, it's restored". I just love this degree of decisiveness!

So, here's what was repainted - all exterior panels, except the engine lid (which was used to match the degree of orange peel). No, the engine bay was not painted, nor the undersides of the lids, nor any of the belly parts or trunks. Nor were the door jambs. The repaint was to original specs by a Mercedes shop in Cincinnati. In '79 they wanted no part of the car, but owed a favor to a buddy of mine. Did a wonderful job!

Beyond that, I've maintained the rest of the finishes of the car. Yep, I've replaced a bunch of parts through the years that needed it - I still call this maintenance. I've always used factory parts to maintain the car. I have a stockpile of factory parts to use as the years go buy, but they are maintenance parts.

So, instead of a black and white poll - tell me your thoughts on whether this car is resored or preserved. It'll help me make a decision in January.

All questions are considered fair, and will be answered. All comments are considered fair - I will accept all (except tire questions/comments).

Let's hear it!
Pat

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post Apr 19 2008, 04:53 PM
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Hey Pat!

To me your car is *not* restored, but then it is not technically "original" either, and certainly not by the PCR. I applaud the new rules because I was tired of seeing what I consider great, well preserved older Porsches - sometimes even with a lot of originality intact - being pulled apart and totally restored to perfection. How 1980s.

I guess the problem with the new categories is that they don't account for cars like yours, which are niether totally original "survivors" nor totally restored trailer queens. While I'm always amazed by the survivors and think they do a huge service to enthusiasts everywhere, cars that have been driven and maintained are perhaps most worthy of celebration. Of course, cars with big miles AND original paint are the ultimate.

In any event, I think between "original" and "restored" is "preserved and maintained." I might be alone in that, however...

No matter what, your car is amazing!

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post Apr 19 2008, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Apr 19 2008, 04:53 PM) *

Hey Pat!

To me your car is *not* restored, but then it is not technically "original" either, and certainly not by the PCR. I applaud the new rules because I was tired of seeing what I consider great, well preserved older Porsches - sometimes even with a lot of originality intact - being pulled apart and totally restored to perfection. How 1980s.

I guess the problem with the new categories is that they don't account for cars like yours, which are niether totally original "survivors" nor totally restored trailer queens. While I'm always amazed by the survivors and think they do a huge service to enthusiasts everywhere, cars that have been driven and maintained are perhaps most worthy of celebration. Of course, cars with big miles AND original paint are the ultimate.

In any event, I think between "original" and "restored" is "preserved and maintained." I might be alone in that, however...

No matter what, your car is amazing!

Pete

Thanks Pete! But I (as a purist) have finally come to grips with the fact that a repaint (even if it was nearly 30 years ago) constitutes "restoration". Oh, and I did have the sail panels cut out & refabricated- there were no replacement panels available then, so I needed to hire a good panel beater!

No matter, because I can't make the Parade this year, as I had planned for 3 years!
Pat
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Pat Garvey   What constitutes "restoration"?   Dec 12 2007, 08:59 PM
Beamer13   To me, I would consider this preserved. You have ...   Dec 12 2007, 09:14 PM
Thomas J Bliznik   To me, I would consider this preserved. You have...   Dec 13 2007, 01:08 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   A restoration implies a degree of degradation and ...   Dec 12 2007, 10:25 PM
davep   I'd have to agree that it is preserved and not...   Dec 13 2007, 11:01 AM
Scott Schroeder   It is absolutely restored. Pat, you have stated o...   Dec 13 2007, 12:28 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   It seems there are different interpretations of wh...   Dec 13 2007, 02:24 PM
Racer   Sounds restored to me. Like Jeff says, a car is on...   Dec 13 2007, 03:17 PM
Pat Garvey   Hmmm... I can understand both points of view here...   Dec 13 2007, 09:27 PM
tod914   Beautiful car Pat, I would considered it restored ...   Dec 17 2007, 10:57 PM
Pat Garvey   Beautiful car Pat, I would considered it restored...   Dec 20 2007, 09:08 PM
Jasfsmith   Back to the topic at hand - I'm OK with ...   Dec 21 2007, 07:46 PM
Pat Garvey   Back to the topic at hand - I'm OK with ...   Dec 21 2007, 07:58 PM
Matt Meyer   Just for a point of reference- I saw an interview...   Dec 21 2007, 11:10 AM
Johny Blackstain   Forgive my absense everyone, I've been out on ...   Mar 12 2008, 12:36 PM
dw914er   at the classic car dealership, we usually thought ...   Mar 12 2008, 02:25 PM
Johny Blackstain   i think paint job, or an engine rebuild, is just ...   Mar 12 2008, 03:34 PM
Pat Garvey   i think paint job, or an engine rebuild, is just...   Mar 12 2008, 06:56 PM
Johny Blackstain   NO Parade this year! Dammitt! Sorry t...   Mar 12 2008, 07:45 PM
dw914er   :agree: it is hard to keep a car untouched for 3...   Mar 12 2008, 05:07 PM
sendjonathanmail   I would consider a restoration to be a complete re...   Mar 12 2008, 05:56 PM
horizontally-opposed   Hey Pat! To me your car is *not* restored, b...   Apr 19 2008, 04:53 PM
Pat Garvey   Hey Pat! To me your car is *not* restored, ...   Apr 19 2008, 09:20 PM


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