Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> VW Type 1 into 914, What are your thoughts?
james2
post Jul 4 2008, 12:32 PM
Post #1


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 97
Joined: 28-June 08
From: Georgia
Member No.: 9,225
Region Association: None



I have a 2332cc Type 1 engine. It dyno'd at 210 hp and 200 ft-lbs of torque on jake Raby's dyno.

Would I be viewed as a total hack if i put this in a 914?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
Katmanken
post Jul 5 2008, 09:40 PM
Post #2


You haven't seen me if anybody asks...
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4,738
Joined: 14-June 03
From: USA
Member No.: 819
Region Association: Upper MidWest



Paul,

It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected engine- aka it needs a crutch to get that level of efficiency and power.

If power levels are equal, a turbo engine will never be as efficient as a non-turboed engine. Car manufacturers such as Volvo have been doggy engines and boosting their output with a turbo. Take off the turbo, and it's still a dog.

Putting it another way, the power of that 2332cc turbo engine is WAYYYYY less without the turbo.

Ken
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
grantsfo
post Jul 5 2008, 11:00 PM
Post #3


Arrrrhhhh!
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4,327
Joined: 16-March 03
Member No.: 433
Region Association: None



QUOTE(kwales @ Jul 5 2008, 08:40 PM) *

Paul,

It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected engine- aka it needs a crutch to get that level of efficiency and power.

If power levels are equal, a turbo engine will never be as efficient as a non-turboed engine. Car manufacturers such as Volvo have been doggy engines and boosting their output with a turbo. Take off the turbo, and it's still a dog.

Putting it another way, the power of that 2332cc turbo engine is WAYYYYY less without the turbo.

Ken

But the motor is built for dynamics of boosted intake, of course its less effiecient than a naturally aspirated motor in unboosted state? Its not a crutch as much as its a motor designed to be turbocharged?

Car manufactures use turbos for vareity of reasons. It is a way to save weight and provide excellent driveability with lower cost small displacement motors. I look at my 2.3 turbo Mazda as great example, it puts out 280ft ft lbs of toque at 3000 RPM and makes 275 HP Thats similar to a V8 motor with over twice as much displacement.

For me it comes down to what is lightest package that puts put most HP for the least amount of $$$$ and maintains some level of reliability. Thats why I like T1 idea.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Chris Hamilton
post Jul 5 2008, 11:59 PM
Post #4


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 611
Joined: 7-March 06
From: Berkeley, CA
Member No.: 5,687



QUOTE(grantsfo @ Jul 5 2008, 10:00 PM) *

For me it comes down to what is lightest package that puts put most HP for the least amount of $$$$ and maintains some level of reliability. Thats why I like T1 idea.


Don't do it, it'll be too fast! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

Speaking of the Type-I's reliability, my dad's have placed in the top 4 of the La Carrera Panamericana for a few years in a row. ( before their civil war thing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) , nobody wants to race when you're getting shot at )

If that isn't a true test of an engine, I don't know what is.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
james2   VW Type 1 into 914   Jul 4 2008, 12:32 PM
grantsfo   I'd love to see it. I wish more people would ...   Jul 4 2008, 01:39 PM
james2   well, I know the type 4 is better engine, it has t...   Jul 4 2008, 02:08 PM
Vacca Rabite   No, I don't think that you would be a hack. D...   Jul 4 2008, 01:45 PM
Chris Hamilton   The type I has FAR more research and development p...   Jul 4 2008, 01:51 PM
grantsfo   The type I has FAR more research and development ...   Jul 4 2008, 03:02 PM
Chris Hamilton   So run in fun class? The guys who AX buggies do...   Jul 4 2008, 05:08 PM
dw914er   The type I has FAR more research and development...   Jul 4 2008, 05:20 PM
dw914er   The type I has FAR more research and development...   Jul 4 2008, 05:20 PM
grantsfo   Ive also seen a 9 second fiat with a T4 Does...   Jul 5 2008, 12:49 PM
Chris Hamilton   [quote name='dw914er' post='1052613' date='Jul 4 ...   Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM
grantsfo   [quote name='dw914er' post='1052613' date='Jul 4...   Jul 5 2008, 01:30 PM
SirAndy   How's this for a decent type I? except, it s...   Jul 5 2008, 02:07 PM
grantsfo   How's this for a decent type I? except, it ...   Jul 5 2008, 02:09 PM
dw914er   Ive also seen a 9 second fiat with a T4 Doe...   Jul 5 2008, 04:59 PM
Dave_Darling   So curious what is definition of a Porsche engine?...   Jul 4 2008, 07:36 PM
Jake Raby   James, You should do it.. The biggest challenge wi...   Jul 4 2008, 01:58 PM
Paul Illick   The first production twin plug TIs are leaving He...   Jul 4 2008, 03:16 PM
Jake Raby   The first production twin plug TIs are leaving H...   Jul 4 2008, 05:11 PM
gregrobbins   A lightweight 550 replica doesn't need a mond...   Jul 4 2008, 05:17 PM
Paul Illick   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052582' date='Ju...   Jul 4 2008, 06:27 PM
Jake Raby   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052582' date='J...   Jul 4 2008, 06:42 PM
Paul Illick   Oh no. "Aircooled Heaven", where you...   Jul 4 2008, 08:19 PM
Chris Hamilton   James, You should do it.. he biggest challenge wi...   Jul 4 2008, 05:29 PM
Jake Raby   Do it... I can help you convert the clutch arrange...   Jul 4 2008, 02:11 PM
Cap'n Krusty   My thoughts? I cannot tell a lie. I think it...   Jul 4 2008, 02:24 PM
james2   LOL, thanks!!! :D My thoughts? I...   Jul 4 2008, 03:13 PM
Jake Raby   To smart asses like you, its Mr. Old age hasn...   Jul 4 2008, 09:03 PM
Paul Illick   Old enough to have seen it all, thank you, and no,...   Jul 5 2008, 07:27 AM
RJMII   So it's a capital "G" then? It...   Jul 5 2008, 12:31 PM
Paul Illick   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052742' date='Ju...   Jul 5 2008, 09:23 PM
Jake Raby   well since a T3 uses TI heads and TI heads won...   Jul 5 2008, 02:33 PM
grantsfo   Oh so it is a T1. Thats even cooler! Damn mor...   Jul 5 2008, 02:54 PM
kwales   With at turbo. Strap a turbo on a dog and it will...   Jul 5 2008, 08:40 PM
kwales   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected en...   Jul 5 2008, 09:40 PM
grantsfo   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected e...   Jul 5 2008, 11:00 PM
Chris Hamilton   For me it comes down to what is lightest package ...   Jul 5 2008, 11:59 PM
Paul Illick   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected e...   Jul 6 2008, 09:53 AM
Chris Hamilton   I'm sorry, but I can't agree that a turbo ...   Jul 5 2008, 09:55 PM
kwales   Turbo's and nitrous both boost output on an en...   Jul 5 2008, 10:16 PM
Jake Raby   Any form of forced induction breeds efficiency.. W...   Jul 5 2008, 11:08 PM
RJMII   The last Turbo I built was 80X100 and made 283 ...   Jul 6 2008, 12:46 AM
jmill   I've built 2 1914's. They're the best...   Jul 5 2008, 11:35 PM
Jake Raby   The 1914 is my favorite TI.. 95% of the engines I ...   Jul 5 2008, 11:44 PM
jmill   Here's the first one. It was in a 64 Kombi. ...   Jul 5 2008, 11:57 PM
jmill   I say go for it. If folks can throw in V8's w...   Jul 6 2008, 12:09 AM
Jake Raby   James already has the DTM cooling system on his ...   Jul 6 2008, 12:19 AM
jmill   Dooooooooooo it! :popcorn:   Jul 6 2008, 12:34 AM
Jake Raby   The DTM does a very good job coupled to LN ENginee...   Jul 6 2008, 01:12 AM
RJMII   The DTM does a very good job coupled to LN ENgine...   Jul 6 2008, 11:32 AM
!   Yeah, but geez that heat issue can be a bitch. Th...   Jul 6 2008, 10:04 AM
Paul Illick   Yeah, but geez that heat issue can be a bitch. T...   Jul 6 2008, 11:29 AM
Jake Raby   The TI would certainly only be a viable solution i...   Jul 6 2008, 11:27 AM
!   The TI would certainly only be a viable solution ...   Jul 6 2008, 11:58 AM
james2   Nickies.? Think that would do Jake?   Jul 6 2008, 08:20 PM
Jake Raby   Nickies.? Think that would do Jake? It would he...   Jul 6 2008, 08:24 PM
james2   Ah!, experienced parts. My favorite! 2382...   Jul 6 2008, 08:54 PM
Jake Raby   Yep.. BUT the guys at Beck might buy the whole eng...   Jul 6 2008, 09:01 PM


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 2nd June 2024 - 05:40 PM