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> VW Type 1 into 914, What are your thoughts?
james2
post Jul 4 2008, 12:32 PM
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I have a 2332cc Type 1 engine. It dyno'd at 210 hp and 200 ft-lbs of torque on jake Raby's dyno.

Would I be viewed as a total hack if i put this in a 914?
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post Jul 5 2008, 11:08 PM
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Any form of forced induction breeds efficiency.. Without boost its hard to get more than 100% VE from an engine thats aircooled with less than 11:1 CR, however I have been able to squeeze 122% from the 1500cc Land Speed engine that currently holds the ECTA record.

An engine that performs best without boost, typically won't have the optimum CR and combo for boost so doing a back to back comparison is difficult. The best back to back I have done is a stock 2.0 that made 88 HP N/A made 160 with less than 10 PSI boost with no other changes and non intercooled.

All other engines I have boosted tend to make double their N/A output at 1 Bar boost. I have two Turbos on deck now, one is a twin plug 2332 TI with a dual ceramic ball bearing Turbo and the other is a single plug 2.1 L TIV using an 82 stroke and 91mm bore with a T2/T3 hybrid custom Turbo that is also dual ceramic ball bearing.. I expect both these low CR, mild cammed engines to make less than 140 HP N/A and both over 300 at 1 Bar boost. Both are made for low revving applications that need smooth power and little lag.

The last Turbo I built was 80X100 and made 283 HP @ 10 PSI boost with 340 lb/ft of torque..
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post Jul 6 2008, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Jul 5 2008, 11:08 PM) *



The last Turbo I built was 80X100 and made 283 HP @ 10 PSI boost with 340 lb/ft of torque..



Out of curiosity; how do you keep your turbos cool? This Garret I have setting on the shop floor next to my project has these two lines going to it, one on top and one on bottom... and originally it had this really big thirst for green kool-aid of the ethylene glycol variety.

So how do you cool a turbo that comes from aircooled heaven? (the ceramic bearings must help a bit!)
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james2   VW Type 1 into 914   Jul 4 2008, 12:32 PM
grantsfo   I'd love to see it. I wish more people would ...   Jul 4 2008, 01:39 PM
james2   well, I know the type 4 is better engine, it has t...   Jul 4 2008, 02:08 PM
Vacca Rabite   No, I don't think that you would be a hack. D...   Jul 4 2008, 01:45 PM
Chris Hamilton   The type I has FAR more research and development p...   Jul 4 2008, 01:51 PM
grantsfo   The type I has FAR more research and development ...   Jul 4 2008, 03:02 PM
Chris Hamilton   So run in fun class? The guys who AX buggies do...   Jul 4 2008, 05:08 PM
dw914er   The type I has FAR more research and development...   Jul 4 2008, 05:20 PM
dw914er   The type I has FAR more research and development...   Jul 4 2008, 05:20 PM
grantsfo   Ive also seen a 9 second fiat with a T4 Does...   Jul 5 2008, 12:49 PM
Chris Hamilton   [quote name='dw914er' post='1052613' date='Jul 4 ...   Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM
grantsfo   [quote name='dw914er' post='1052613' date='Jul 4...   Jul 5 2008, 01:30 PM
SirAndy   How's this for a decent type I? except, it s...   Jul 5 2008, 02:07 PM
grantsfo   How's this for a decent type I? except, it ...   Jul 5 2008, 02:09 PM
dw914er   Ive also seen a 9 second fiat with a T4 Doe...   Jul 5 2008, 04:59 PM
Dave_Darling   So curious what is definition of a Porsche engine?...   Jul 4 2008, 07:36 PM
Jake Raby   James, You should do it.. The biggest challenge wi...   Jul 4 2008, 01:58 PM
Paul Illick   The first production twin plug TIs are leaving He...   Jul 4 2008, 03:16 PM
Jake Raby   The first production twin plug TIs are leaving H...   Jul 4 2008, 05:11 PM
gregrobbins   A lightweight 550 replica doesn't need a mond...   Jul 4 2008, 05:17 PM
Paul Illick   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052582' date='Ju...   Jul 4 2008, 06:27 PM
Jake Raby   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052582' date='J...   Jul 4 2008, 06:42 PM
Paul Illick   Oh no. "Aircooled Heaven", where you...   Jul 4 2008, 08:19 PM
Chris Hamilton   James, You should do it.. he biggest challenge wi...   Jul 4 2008, 05:29 PM
Jake Raby   Do it... I can help you convert the clutch arrange...   Jul 4 2008, 02:11 PM
Cap'n Krusty   My thoughts? I cannot tell a lie. I think it...   Jul 4 2008, 02:24 PM
james2   LOL, thanks!!! :D My thoughts? I...   Jul 4 2008, 03:13 PM
Jake Raby   To smart asses like you, its Mr. Old age hasn...   Jul 4 2008, 09:03 PM
Paul Illick   Old enough to have seen it all, thank you, and no,...   Jul 5 2008, 07:27 AM
RJMII   So it's a capital "G" then? It...   Jul 5 2008, 12:31 PM
Paul Illick   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052742' date='Ju...   Jul 5 2008, 09:23 PM
Jake Raby   well since a T3 uses TI heads and TI heads won...   Jul 5 2008, 02:33 PM
grantsfo   Oh so it is a T1. Thats even cooler! Damn mor...   Jul 5 2008, 02:54 PM
kwales   With at turbo. Strap a turbo on a dog and it will...   Jul 5 2008, 08:40 PM
kwales   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected en...   Jul 5 2008, 09:40 PM
grantsfo   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected e...   Jul 5 2008, 11:00 PM
Chris Hamilton   For me it comes down to what is lightest package ...   Jul 5 2008, 11:59 PM
Paul Illick   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected e...   Jul 6 2008, 09:53 AM
Chris Hamilton   I'm sorry, but I can't agree that a turbo ...   Jul 5 2008, 09:55 PM
kwales   Turbo's and nitrous both boost output on an en...   Jul 5 2008, 10:16 PM
Jake Raby   Any form of forced induction breeds efficiency.. W...   Jul 5 2008, 11:08 PM
RJMII   The last Turbo I built was 80X100 and made 283 ...   Jul 6 2008, 12:46 AM
jmill   I've built 2 1914's. They're the best...   Jul 5 2008, 11:35 PM
Jake Raby   The 1914 is my favorite TI.. 95% of the engines I ...   Jul 5 2008, 11:44 PM
jmill   Here's the first one. It was in a 64 Kombi. ...   Jul 5 2008, 11:57 PM
jmill   I say go for it. If folks can throw in V8's w...   Jul 6 2008, 12:09 AM
Jake Raby   James already has the DTM cooling system on his ...   Jul 6 2008, 12:19 AM
jmill   Dooooooooooo it! :popcorn:   Jul 6 2008, 12:34 AM
Jake Raby   The DTM does a very good job coupled to LN ENginee...   Jul 6 2008, 01:12 AM
RJMII   The DTM does a very good job coupled to LN ENgine...   Jul 6 2008, 11:32 AM
!   Yeah, but geez that heat issue can be a bitch. Th...   Jul 6 2008, 10:04 AM
Paul Illick   Yeah, but geez that heat issue can be a bitch. T...   Jul 6 2008, 11:29 AM
Jake Raby   The TI would certainly only be a viable solution i...   Jul 6 2008, 11:27 AM
!   The TI would certainly only be a viable solution ...   Jul 6 2008, 11:58 AM
james2   Nickies.? Think that would do Jake?   Jul 6 2008, 08:20 PM
Jake Raby   Nickies.? Think that would do Jake? It would he...   Jul 6 2008, 08:24 PM
james2   Ah!, experienced parts. My favorite! 2382...   Jul 6 2008, 08:54 PM
Jake Raby   Yep.. BUT the guys at Beck might buy the whole eng...   Jul 6 2008, 09:01 PM


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