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| james2 |
Jul 4 2008, 12:32 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: 28-June 08 From: Georgia Member No.: 9,225 Region Association: None |
I have a 2332cc Type 1 engine. It dyno'd at 210 hp and 200 ft-lbs of torque on jake Raby's dyno.
Would I be viewed as a total hack if i put this in a 914? |
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| Katmanken |
Jul 5 2008, 09:40 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Paul,
It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected engine- aka it needs a crutch to get that level of efficiency and power. If power levels are equal, a turbo engine will never be as efficient as a non-turboed engine. Car manufacturers such as Volvo have been doggy engines and boosting their output with a turbo. Take off the turbo, and it's still a dog. Putting it another way, the power of that 2332cc turbo engine is WAYYYYY less without the turbo. Ken |
| DBCooper |
Jul 6 2008, 09:53 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected engine- aka it needs a crutch to get that level of efficiency and power. If power levels are equal, a turbo engine will never be as efficient as a non-turboed engine. Car manufacturers such as Volvo have been doggy engines and boosting their output with a turbo. Take off the turbo, and it's still a dog. Putting it another way, the power of that 2332cc turbo engine is WAYYYYY less without the turbo. Ken Look at the same thing from the other direction, Ken. Would that 2332 EVER be able to make 300 hp as a normally aspirated engine? Of course not. So the turbo was able to add about 100 horsepower, pulling more power out of the same assembly exactly because it was able to make it more efficient. What you're saying is typical of the irritation of NA guys who have spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars improving the power of their NA engines by 40 percent, when they see somebody double their HP half the cost by adding a turbo. They're right, they've done a lot of good work, but bottom line is that other guy just DOUBLED his hp. Numbers don't lie, he's got twice the power for half the price. Dyno doesn't know there's a turbo there, nor his transaxle. That's a reasonably good deal, seems to me. Actually I've had several of those turbo Volvos. A Cortina as well, though it was NA. |
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To smart asses like you, its Mr.
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Paul,
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