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> VW Type 1 into 914, What are your thoughts?
james2
post Jul 4 2008, 12:32 PM
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I have a 2332cc Type 1 engine. It dyno'd at 210 hp and 200 ft-lbs of torque on jake Raby's dyno.

Would I be viewed as a total hack if i put this in a 914?
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post Jul 5 2008, 09:40 PM
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Paul,

It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected engine- aka it needs a crutch to get that level of efficiency and power.

If power levels are equal, a turbo engine will never be as efficient as a non-turboed engine. Car manufacturers such as Volvo have been doggy engines and boosting their output with a turbo. Take off the turbo, and it's still a dog.

Putting it another way, the power of that 2332cc turbo engine is WAYYYYY less without the turbo.

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QUOTE(kwales @ Jul 5 2008, 08:40 PM) *

Paul,

It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected engine- aka it needs a crutch to get that level of efficiency and power.

If power levels are equal, a turbo engine will never be as efficient as a non-turboed engine. Car manufacturers such as Volvo have been doggy engines and boosting their output with a turbo. Take off the turbo, and it's still a dog.

Putting it another way, the power of that 2332cc turbo engine is WAYYYYY less without the turbo.

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Look at the same thing from the other direction, Ken. Would that 2332 EVER be able to make 300 hp as a normally aspirated engine? Of course not. So the turbo was able to add about 100 horsepower, pulling more power out of the same assembly exactly because it was able to make it more efficient.

What you're saying is typical of the irritation of NA guys who have spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars improving the power of their NA engines by 40 percent, when they see somebody double their HP half the cost by adding a turbo. They're right, they've done a lot of good work, but bottom line is that other guy just DOUBLED his hp. Numbers don't lie, he's got twice the power for half the price. Dyno doesn't know there's a turbo there, nor his transaxle. That's a reasonably good deal, seems to me.

Actually I've had several of those turbo Volvos. A Cortina as well, though it was NA.

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james2   VW Type 1 into 914   Jul 4 2008, 12:32 PM
grantsfo   I'd love to see it. I wish more people would ...   Jul 4 2008, 01:39 PM
james2   well, I know the type 4 is better engine, it has t...   Jul 4 2008, 02:08 PM
Vacca Rabite   No, I don't think that you would be a hack. D...   Jul 4 2008, 01:45 PM
Chris Hamilton   The type I has FAR more research and development p...   Jul 4 2008, 01:51 PM
grantsfo   The type I has FAR more research and development ...   Jul 4 2008, 03:02 PM
Chris Hamilton   So run in fun class? The guys who AX buggies do...   Jul 4 2008, 05:08 PM
dw914er   The type I has FAR more research and development...   Jul 4 2008, 05:20 PM
dw914er   The type I has FAR more research and development...   Jul 4 2008, 05:20 PM
grantsfo   Ive also seen a 9 second fiat with a T4 Does...   Jul 5 2008, 12:49 PM
Chris Hamilton   [quote name='dw914er' post='1052613' date='Jul 4 ...   Jul 5 2008, 01:18 PM
grantsfo   [quote name='dw914er' post='1052613' date='Jul 4...   Jul 5 2008, 01:30 PM
SirAndy   How's this for a decent type I? except, it s...   Jul 5 2008, 02:07 PM
grantsfo   How's this for a decent type I? except, it ...   Jul 5 2008, 02:09 PM
dw914er   Ive also seen a 9 second fiat with a T4 Doe...   Jul 5 2008, 04:59 PM
Dave_Darling   So curious what is definition of a Porsche engine?...   Jul 4 2008, 07:36 PM
Jake Raby   James, You should do it.. The biggest challenge wi...   Jul 4 2008, 01:58 PM
Paul Illick   The first production twin plug TIs are leaving He...   Jul 4 2008, 03:16 PM
Jake Raby   The first production twin plug TIs are leaving H...   Jul 4 2008, 05:11 PM
gregrobbins   A lightweight 550 replica doesn't need a mond...   Jul 4 2008, 05:17 PM
Paul Illick   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052582' date='Ju...   Jul 4 2008, 06:27 PM
Jake Raby   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052582' date='J...   Jul 4 2008, 06:42 PM
Paul Illick   Oh no. "Aircooled Heaven", where you...   Jul 4 2008, 08:19 PM
Chris Hamilton   James, You should do it.. he biggest challenge wi...   Jul 4 2008, 05:29 PM
Jake Raby   Do it... I can help you convert the clutch arrange...   Jul 4 2008, 02:11 PM
Cap'n Krusty   My thoughts? I cannot tell a lie. I think it...   Jul 4 2008, 02:24 PM
james2   LOL, thanks!!! :D My thoughts? I...   Jul 4 2008, 03:13 PM
Jake Raby   To smart asses like you, its Mr. Old age hasn...   Jul 4 2008, 09:03 PM
Paul Illick   Old enough to have seen it all, thank you, and no,...   Jul 5 2008, 07:27 AM
RJMII   So it's a capital "G" then? It...   Jul 5 2008, 12:31 PM
Paul Illick   [quote name='Paul Illick' post='1052742' date='Ju...   Jul 5 2008, 09:23 PM
Jake Raby   well since a T3 uses TI heads and TI heads won...   Jul 5 2008, 02:33 PM
grantsfo   Oh so it is a T1. Thats even cooler! Damn mor...   Jul 5 2008, 02:54 PM
kwales   With at turbo. Strap a turbo on a dog and it will...   Jul 5 2008, 08:40 PM
kwales   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected en...   Jul 5 2008, 09:40 PM
grantsfo   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected e...   Jul 5 2008, 11:00 PM
Chris Hamilton   For me it comes down to what is lightest package ...   Jul 5 2008, 11:59 PM
Paul Illick   Paul, It says it's a 2332cc turbo injected e...   Jul 6 2008, 09:53 AM
Chris Hamilton   I'm sorry, but I can't agree that a turbo ...   Jul 5 2008, 09:55 PM
kwales   Turbo's and nitrous both boost output on an en...   Jul 5 2008, 10:16 PM
Jake Raby   Any form of forced induction breeds efficiency.. W...   Jul 5 2008, 11:08 PM
RJMII   The last Turbo I built was 80X100 and made 283 ...   Jul 6 2008, 12:46 AM
jmill   I've built 2 1914's. They're the best...   Jul 5 2008, 11:35 PM
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jmill   Here's the first one. It was in a 64 Kombi. ...   Jul 5 2008, 11:57 PM
jmill   I say go for it. If folks can throw in V8's w...   Jul 6 2008, 12:09 AM
Jake Raby   James already has the DTM cooling system on his ...   Jul 6 2008, 12:19 AM
jmill   Dooooooooooo it! :popcorn:   Jul 6 2008, 12:34 AM
Jake Raby   The DTM does a very good job coupled to LN ENginee...   Jul 6 2008, 01:12 AM
RJMII   The DTM does a very good job coupled to LN ENgine...   Jul 6 2008, 11:32 AM
!   Yeah, but geez that heat issue can be a bitch. Th...   Jul 6 2008, 10:04 AM
Paul Illick   Yeah, but geez that heat issue can be a bitch. T...   Jul 6 2008, 11:29 AM
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!   The TI would certainly only be a viable solution ...   Jul 6 2008, 11:58 AM
james2   Nickies.? Think that would do Jake?   Jul 6 2008, 08:20 PM
Jake Raby   Nickies.? Think that would do Jake? It would he...   Jul 6 2008, 08:24 PM
james2   Ah!, experienced parts. My favorite! 2382...   Jul 6 2008, 08:54 PM
Jake Raby   Yep.. BUT the guys at Beck might buy the whole eng...   Jul 6 2008, 09:01 PM


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