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> OT. WAY OT, Engineering Problem. Need some help
jfort
post Aug 27 2008, 10:55 AM
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My son and I have a real problem and we need some help. My son is a licensed blaster. He has been asked to stimulate oil wells with dynamite. I am trying to help him. In short, we will fabricate a "torpedo." Currently, we are thinking of using a 5' length of 1.5" PVC with the down end made into a point. The torpedo will be filled with 2 sticks of dynamite and filled with as dense a sand/gravel as we can find. It will be dropped down a 5" pipe filled with water. It is estimated that it is 640' to the bottom. Can you help me calculate how long it will take the torpedo to reach the bottom? (We need to make sure it gets to the bottom before the fuse ignites the dynamite!!) I am sure the efficiency through the water, drag, is an important and not known for sure variable, but perhaps there is a range that would get us close enough.

Any guidance or leads would be most appreciated.
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post Aug 27 2008, 08:58 PM
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I believe that terminal velocity will be reached quickly enough that once that is calculated it should be used for the entire fall. The pipe diameter is sufficiently large that the "torpedo" should not experience undue drag (some yes). I'd add vanes to try and give the "torpedo" some spin.

650 feet of magnesium wire might make a good fuse.

You could do a test prior to the actual blast. Attach 100 feet of wire, and let it drop (with a dummy warhead of the same mass/density). Time the 100 foot fall for each ten feet. If the rate of decent becomes constant, then use that rate. Retrieve the dummy.
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post Aug 27 2008, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(davep @ Aug 27 2008, 06:58 PM) *

The pipe diameter is sufficiently large that the "torpedo" should not experience undue drag (some yes).

I agree, but the pipe diameter is sufficiently small that there will be friction every time that the "torpedo" hits the tube. In 640 feet of production tubing, there will be 19 joints that the "torpedo" could hang up on. Not likely, but possible.
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I'd add vanes to try and give the "torpedo" some spin.

I'm not sure what you'd gain. I don't think it would add sufficient stability to prevent the "torpedo" from hitting the sides, but it would provide additional points to foul the "torpedo".


The consequence of premature detonation is probably ruptured production tubing, and would pose a problem...


I still agree with Gary. I'd be testing my ass off.
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jfort   OT. WAY OT   Aug 27 2008, 10:55 AM
ericread   I believe you should find all of the necessary doc...   Aug 27 2008, 11:21 AM
Lavanaut   Ooooh fluid dynamics. Going to be very tough to e...   Aug 27 2008, 12:25 PM
jfort   My son is a sophisticated blaster, having done man...   Aug 27 2008, 12:41 PM
pin31   Check out this web site: http://www.newton.dep.anl...   Aug 27 2008, 12:45 PM
Todd Enlund   The fastest (best case scenario) would be droppin...   Aug 27 2008, 01:26 PM
angerosa   Use a 640' fuse and don't worry about it. ...   Aug 27 2008, 12:50 PM
drgchapman   I would be thinking a dry run or three to determin...   Aug 27 2008, 12:54 PM
pin31   Thanks Todd, you're correct...I used the wrong...   Aug 27 2008, 01:44 PM
ClayPerrine   Thanks Todd, you're correct...I used the wron...   Aug 27 2008, 02:40 PM
carr914   Isn't the PVC going to have some bouyancy?   Aug 27 2008, 02:56 PM
jfort   this is what i've come up with thus far, thoug...   Aug 27 2008, 02:57 PM
jfort   right. PVC will have some bouyancy, but i discoun...   Aug 27 2008, 03:07 PM
Lavanaut   No offense, but there are way too many unknowns he...   Aug 27 2008, 03:22 PM
jfort   i forgot to square the PVC cross section area: so...   Aug 27 2008, 03:25 PM
angerosa   i forgot to square the PVC cross section area: s...   Aug 27 2008, 03:47 PM
carr914   No offense, but there are way too many unknowns h...   Aug 27 2008, 03:29 PM
r_towle   Have you considered using a large caliber gun inst...   Aug 27 2008, 03:58 PM
Jeffs9146   Why use free fall numbers? Well maintenance compa...   Aug 27 2008, 04:10 PM
Jeffs9146   You could also use a depth guage to set your trigg...   Aug 27 2008, 04:20 PM
drgchapman   OK, after all this mental masterbation, it seems u...   Aug 27 2008, 04:34 PM
orange914   this looks like a job for mythbusters :D :blowup:   Aug 27 2008, 05:10 PM
davep   I believe that terminal velocity will be reached q...   Aug 27 2008, 08:58 PM
Todd Enlund   The pipe diameter is sufficiently large that the ...   Aug 27 2008, 09:26 PM
davep   My thought was that spin would help it get past so...   Aug 28 2008, 02:41 PM
SirAndy   to add clockwise spin (counter-clockwise below th...   Aug 28 2008, 04:51 PM
Lavanaut   to add clockwise spin (counter-clockwise below t...   Aug 29 2008, 12:34 AM
hcdmueller   Why not use commercially available shock tube as y...   Aug 28 2008, 02:58 PM
Travisfling   This just seems like a crazy question... I think t...   Aug 28 2008, 03:07 PM
Jeffs9146   Thats what I was talking about earlier!...   Aug 28 2008, 03:37 PM
ArtechnikA   I think I'd put a camera and light source in t...   Aug 28 2008, 04:01 PM
YksKrad   I'm only an engineering student, and an Arch. ...   Aug 28 2008, 04:16 PM
ArtechnikA   On a side note... Don't they usually pump ste...   Aug 28 2008, 04:31 PM
YksKrad   On a side note... Don't they usually pump st...   Aug 28 2008, 05:12 PM
toon1   Why not use commercially available shock tube as ...   Aug 28 2008, 05:13 PM
hcdmueller   Explosives is how I make a living :D Me too...   Aug 29 2008, 07:09 AM
Phoenix-MN   In my previous life (job) I worked for a company t...   Aug 29 2008, 08:11 AM
toon1   Explosives is how I make a living :D Me to...   Aug 29 2008, 09:29 AM


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