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> Off Topic!, Let the gas companys burn in HELL
justdrive914
post Sep 12 2008, 10:01 PM
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WTF gas here in asheville NC is up to 5.10 a gallon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Something must be done
914's get good mileage we are tryin here!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif)

no more of this for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

how did it come to this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Sep 13 2008, 01:07 PM
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capitalism is federally managed in an odd way to me.

imho, we missed the boat during the '70's oil crisis. we had a choice between managing energy with business relationships or infrastructure. we chose the relationships and allowed the business leaders to exert more and more influence over legislation. the result was continued reliance on foreign oil and the marketing of bigger and less efficient vehicles (for example).

we *should* have begun a concerted effort to level the field with advancements in alternatives (as some wanted to) then. that being said, it's not too late, but you see what the priority of the federal government is based on the attention paid to iraq over the last 5 years or so.

no one should have to give up their large vehicles, but they should have been marketed with clean diesel and other alternatives long ago, because most would choose the efficiency if offered on par with petro... even in the fat '90's, assuming the leadership maintaining the commitment to stave off our dependancy to the middle east.

2 things could help:

1- don't buy inefficient petro burning vehicles. tell leaders you insist on alternatives.
2- invest in american engineering and manufacturing, and elect officials who will do the same. america's ability to sustain itself has been gutted in the last 20 years, and no self respecting economist could expect the current model to end in anything but disaster.

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post Sep 13 2008, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(lotus_65 @ Sep 13 2008, 11:07 AM) *

capitalism is federally managed in an odd way to me.

imho, we missed the boat during the '70's oil crisis. we had a choice between managing energy with business relationships or infrastructure. we chose the relationships and allowed the business leaders to exert more and more influence over legislation. the result was continued reliance on foreign oil and the marketing of bigger and less efficient vehicles (for example).

we *should* have begun a concerted effort to level the field with advancements in alternatives (as some wanted to) then. that being said, it's not too late, but you see what the priority of the federal government is based on the attention paid to iraq over the last 5 years or so.

no one should have to give up their large vehicles, but they should have been marketed with clean diesel and other alternatives long ago, because most would choose the efficiency if offered on par with petro... even in the fat '90's, assuming the leadership maintaining the commitment to stave off our dependancy to the middle east.

2 things could help:

1- don't buy inefficient petro burning vehicles. tell leaders you insist on alternatives.
2- invest in american engineering and manufacturing, and elect officials who will do the same. america's ability to sustain itself has been gutted in the last 20 years, and no self respecting economist could expect the current model to end in anything but disaster.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) that's my take.

paul


Amen to that paul!

What country is this?
Richest in the world
Largest Military
Center of the world business and Finance
Strongest education system
World center of inovation and invention
Currency the world standard of value

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post Sep 14 2008, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE(swl @ Sep 13 2008, 01:50 PM) *

What country is this?
Richest in the world
Largest Military
Center of the world business and Finance
Strongest education system
World center of inovation and invention
Currency the world standard of value


This is going to be fun:

What country is this?


The USA

Richest in the world


Not per capita. We actually rank 6th:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...PPP)_per_capita

Strongest education system


Finnland is considered to have the best actually. We rank near the bottom.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/26/...ain530872.shtml

Largest Military

We're number 2. China's is a lot bigger though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...f_active_troops

Center of the world business and Finance

Maybe...

World center of inovation and invention

This used to be true, but I think the rest of the world has caught up.

Currency the world standard of value

For the time being...

This isn't the 1960s. Things have a changed a lot in the last four decades. I'm glad the rest of the world is doing better, but I hope we as a country can continue to be competitive in the new global arena.
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justdrive914   Off Topic!   Sep 12 2008, 10:01 PM
rick 918-S   Drill, drill, drill. If we had a pipe line from Al...   Sep 12 2008, 10:24 PM
jimtab   Drill, drill, drill. If we had a pipe line from A...   Sep 13 2008, 12:25 AM
rick 918-S   Drill, drill, drill. If we had a pipe line from ...   Sep 13 2008, 10:01 PM
LarryR   [quote name='jimtab' post='1078851' date='Sep 12 ...   Sep 13 2008, 10:14 PM
rick 918-S   [quote name='jimtab' post='1078851' date='Sep 12...   Sep 13 2008, 10:28 PM
LarryR   [quote name='LarryR' post='1079100' date='Sep 13 ...   Sep 13 2008, 10:34 PM
PRS914-6   how did it come to this? :confused: That's ...   Sep 12 2008, 10:27 PM
LarryR   how did it come to this? :confused: That's...   Sep 12 2008, 10:46 PM
dw914er   how did it come to this? :confused: That's...   Sep 13 2008, 08:02 PM
dbgriffith75   I blame the government... and taxes... and alcoh...   Sep 12 2008, 10:37 PM
DBCooper   Screw that, I own a lot of stock in Exxon so I hav...   Sep 12 2008, 10:55 PM
Garold Shaffer   Um, Hurricanes Just watched the news tonight sayi...   Sep 12 2008, 11:00 PM
justdrive914   Um, Hurricanes Just watched the news tonight say...   Sep 13 2008, 07:03 AM
dbgriffith75   Oh, and something I forgot to add into my previous...   Sep 13 2008, 12:01 AM
justdrive914   Oh, and something I forgot to add into my previou...   Sep 13 2008, 03:22 PM
Sleepin   ...and yet the State of Colorado is going to try t...   Sep 13 2008, 12:23 AM
iamchappy   FYI- we get about 80% of our oil from Canada and M...   Sep 13 2008, 12:34 AM
swl   get used to guys - it is simply a matter of supply...   Sep 13 2008, 06:44 AM
abbott295   Right now it's the refineries that are shut do...   Sep 13 2008, 08:06 AM
lotus_65   capitalism is federally managed in an odd way to m...   Sep 13 2008, 01:07 PM
justdrive914   capitalism is federally managed in an odd way to ...   Sep 13 2008, 03:23 PM
swl   capitalism is federally managed in an odd way to ...   Sep 13 2008, 03:50 PM
RoadGlue   What country is this? Richest in the world Larges...   Sep 14 2008, 12:36 AM
swl   [quote name='swl' post='1078960' date='Sep 13 200...   Sep 14 2008, 12:21 PM
Gene   the best option isn't natural gas. It is elect...   Sep 14 2008, 02:05 PM
r_towle   What was the reason given for developing the Depar...   Sep 13 2008, 06:39 PM
lotus_65   What was the reason given for developing the Depa...   Sep 13 2008, 08:23 PM
DBCooper   Carter gave a speech outlining the hard choices we...   Sep 13 2008, 08:03 PM
lotus_65   Carter gave a speech outlining the hard choices w...   Sep 13 2008, 08:33 PM
So.Cal.914   WTF gas here in asheville NC is up to 5.10 a gall...   Sep 13 2008, 08:31 PM
wbergtho   This thread should probably be in the sandbox beca...   Sep 13 2008, 09:17 PM
DBCooper   Yes, sandbox for sure. Was that article an op-ed ...   Sep 13 2008, 09:55 PM
wbergtho   As Ed McMan once said..."You are correct s...   Sep 14 2008, 02:53 AM
wbergtho   BTW, If all the liberal restrictions were removed,...   Sep 14 2008, 02:56 AM
abbott295   If you are getting your natural gas from wells, it...   Sep 14 2008, 07:23 AM
rhodyguy   1 ?. why is this in the garage? admin cleanup asap...   Sep 14 2008, 08:05 AM
justdrive914   Yeah, sorry I put this in the garage! I though...   Sep 14 2008, 08:17 AM
rhodyguy   ok. but to keep it at the top...if they were to gr...   Sep 14 2008, 08:44 AM
brant   drilling more does not solve the problem it only p...   Sep 14 2008, 08:49 AM
zymurgist   drilling, postpones the problem so that all of yo...   Sep 14 2008, 09:17 AM
swl   the other problem with electric is that it doesn...   Sep 14 2008, 04:45 PM
Gene   the other problem with electric is that it doesn...   Sep 14 2008, 05:03 PM


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