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Slick914 |
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What's the difference between the racing SS brake hoses and the street ones?
My car has the racing ones on right now, but I do have the street versions on standby. |
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
I apologize for beating this to death, but here we go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif)
I’m honestly intrigued that the agency in charge would let such a dangerous product onto the market. I’ve never had a problem with those hoses, but it seems I might be the only one who hasn’t. Not to even get into the performance motorcycles that come from the factory with braided hose. This genuinely surprises me, because I can’t imagine why insurance companies and product liability lawyers haven’t had a field day with it. A government agency being inept? I have no problem believing that, but overlooked by shady lawyers? I’d think those jackals could sniff out carrion anywhere. Anyway I had to find out more, so I looked up the NHTSA TP-106-10 standard and had a read, (see it HERE). This standard was issued in April of this year, and sets the testing and performance standards for brake hoses. The list of tests is pretty impressive and seems complete, including: LABELING INSPECTION 12.A.2. CONSTRICTION TEST 12.A.3. EXPANSION TEST 12.A.4. BURST STRENGTH TEST 12.A.5. WHIP TEST 12.A.6. TENSILE STRENGTH TEST 12.A.7. LOW TEMPERATURE RESISTANCE TEST 12.A.8. END FITTING CORROSION TEST 12.A.9. OZONE RESISTANCE TEST 12.A.10. WATER ABSORPTION TEST) 12.A.11. BRAKE FLUID COMPATIBILITY TEST 12.A.12. HIGH TEMPERATURE IMPULSE TEST 12.A.13. DYNAMIC OZONE TEST) 12.A.14. TRACER CORD IDENTIFICATION All these tests refer directly back to SAE, ASTM and other standards bodies requirements for testing, materials, and performance. As a quick summary the two most compelling problems mentioned in our discussions would covered by the tensile and whip tests. These tests are conducted with pressurized hoses: Tensile Test - ( A ) Conduct the slow pull test by applying tension at a rate of 1" per minute. The assemblies shall withstand a minimum pull of 325 lbs. ( B ) Conduct the fast pull test by applying tension at a rate of 2" per minute. The assemblies shall withstand a minimum pull of 370 lbs. Whip Test – This is as the description implies, whipping the hose back and forth. “The time duration for the whip test shall be 35 hours at a machine speed of 780 to 800 rpm.” If you read the full text these aren’t sloppy, easy tests. I could imagine that a brake hose that was too short for the application would fail if yanked lock-to-lock between the hard line mount and your caliper, but other than that, which is misuse, I don’t see anything in the test being insufficient for the application. Same with the whip test. That test, by the way, is what separates the “DOT” hoses from “race” hoses. To pass the Whip Test the hose manufacturers install a rubber or plastic collar from the fitting up through the first two inches of the braided part of the hose. That gives that section of hose some support so it doesn’t go into shear against the fitting. No plastic reinforcement means “race” hose. I know more now, but still have no idea how so many brakes could have catastrophic failures on public highways without provoking a firestorm of lawsuits. That’s OK, I guess, there are a lot of things I don’t understand. I did read something interesting that I didn’t know, about the metric system. Did you know we’re on it? From the introduction to this standard: “Section 5164 of the Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act (Pub. L. 100-418) establishes that the metric system of measurement is the preferred system of weights and measures for trade and commerce in the United States.” I wasn't aware of that, so it was very interesting news. Especially since every measurement in this standard was exclusively in Imperial values. |
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