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> Polygraphite rear bushings?, How good are these?
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post Nov 8 2008, 08:47 AM
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Okay guys.....I'm letting the motor bit set, so I'm on to suspesnion (something I can actually work on right now) and I need a new set of trailing arm bushings.
I was looking into the Weltmeister Polygraphite bushings because they were a decent price.

Anyone have other opinions on these bushings or other ones for below $80? I would love poly-bronze bushings but $260 from pelicanis just a little steep (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 8 2008, 02:09 PM
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Here's my take on the level of quality on the rear bushings:

1. FreeMotion (bearings) -or- Elephant Bronze (it's hard to pick).
2. The harder 70D poly bushing.
3. I don't even recommend the softer poly bushings you're looking at for all the reasons that Rich mentions.

The more expensive ones (Elephant/FreeMotion) will hopefully last a life time and as mentioned, this isn't a job you want to do every couple of years. I'm using FreeMotion on my 914 and Elephants on my 911.

I used the soft poly bushings on my 911 years back and they distorted and squeaked. As mentioned, I replaced them soon after I got them (well... a couple years but, that's too soon to be doing this job again). I've even seen them take out front suspension pickup points on a 911.

The harder Poly bushings do not exhibit the same wear characteristics of the softer poly (meaning, they'll last a long time... if properly taken care of, probably as long as the stock ones did), they won't squeak and give virtually the same characteristics as the solid bushings.

With the harder poly bushings you will need to prep them properly to get them to operate noise free. They need to be honed to a perfect fit on your arm otherwise they can bind and clack or, if they're too loose they can do the same. Here's what I like to use now:

http://www.mcmaster.com

Item #4719A261 Sleeve
Item #4650A68 Drum

With this is a lower speed drill press you can virtually guarantee a perfect fit on your control arm shaft. It only takes a few minutes with this set up and it's very precise.

Once the bushings slide freely on the shaft (while cool) you can install them and put zerk fittings on the arm to keep them lubed.

At $20.00 a set, I find them an excellent bushing if your budget is such.
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Nov 8 2008, 12:09 PM) *


With the harder poly bushings you will need to prep them properly to get them to operate noise free. They need to be honed to a perfect fit on your arm otherwise they can bind and clack or, if they're too loose they can do the same. Here's what I like to use now:

http://www.mcmaster.com

Item #4719A261 Sleeve
Item #4650A68 Drum



This link and #'s takes me to sanding drums, am I missing something?

I see they have a good selection of bushings and sleeves. Is that where the link is supposed to end up? And is that what you use?
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'73-914kid   Polygraphite rear bushings?   Nov 8 2008, 08:47 AM
Dave_Darling   They stick, they squeak, and they're a bit of ...   Nov 8 2008, 10:06 AM
r_towle   Okay guys.....I'm letting the motor bit set, ...   Nov 8 2008, 11:04 AM
J P Stein   Yes, Dave, they ain't worth shit, however........   Nov 8 2008, 11:13 AM
r_towle   Yes, Dave, they ain't worth shit, however.......   Feb 9 2009, 06:03 PM
J P Stein   3-4 years now...still swing like butter. Rich ...   Feb 9 2009, 06:09 PM
jimkelly   is bronze $260 per side with axle - or ...   Nov 8 2008, 01:32 PM
Lou W   is bronze $260 per side with axle - or ...   Nov 8 2008, 01:59 PM
Eric_Shea   Here's my take on the level of quality on the ...   Nov 8 2008, 02:09 PM
TC 914-8   With the harder poly bushings you will need to p...   Nov 13 2008, 07:17 PM
Eric_Shea   :wttc: BTW   Nov 8 2008, 02:14 PM
'73-914kid   The car is going to be a daily driver for the stre...   Nov 9 2008, 05:24 PM
Joe Ricard   not going to find new rubber. unless you buy a wh...   Nov 9 2008, 05:53 PM
Eric_Shea   Elephant Racing does rubber now. If you don...   Nov 9 2008, 06:08 PM
Gint   Elephant Racing does rubber now. If you don't...   Nov 9 2008, 07:14 PM
r_towle   [quote name='Eric_Shea' post='1100398' date='Nov ...   Nov 9 2008, 07:21 PM
Eric_Shea   Lou, I think your outside zerks are on 180 degree...   Nov 9 2008, 06:10 PM
ConeDodger   Lou, I think your outside zerks are on 180 degre...   Nov 9 2008, 07:21 PM
Lou W   Lou, I think your outside zerks are on 180 degre...   Nov 9 2008, 07:22 PM
ConeDodger   Lou, I think your outside zerks are on 180 degr...   Nov 9 2008, 07:28 PM
Lou W   [quote name='Lou W' post='1100446' date='Nov 9 20...   Nov 9 2008, 07:37 PM
wbergtho   This is what I did and haven't had a problem...   Nov 9 2008, 06:16 PM
Eric_Shea   Agree... if you want the ultimate restoration de...   Nov 9 2008, 07:18 PM
Eric_Shea   I don't think they're a DIY item. It so...   Nov 9 2008, 09:05 PM
r_towle   I don't think they're a DIY item. It sou...   Nov 10 2008, 10:08 AM
Eric_Shea   Yup, and that's the cheap guys. I think it...   Nov 10 2008, 10:20 AM
r_towle   Yup, and that's the cheap guys. I think it...   Nov 10 2008, 10:47 AM
Eric_Shea   That's exactly what our last conversation was....   Nov 10 2008, 10:57 AM
jimkelly   ERMP-2051500 Elephant Racing, Front PolyBronze Sus...   Nov 13 2008, 06:54 PM
Eric_Shea   Tony, Those are the items I use to hone out the s...   Nov 13 2008, 07:44 PM
TC 914-8   Yep, I was just surfing their site and got side tr...   Nov 13 2008, 08:02 PM
Eric_Shea   Yup. It sounds like he put the 94D poly bushing...   Nov 13 2008, 08:08 PM
dashgod   I'm just about to tackle this project myself. ...   Feb 3 2009, 06:03 PM
Krieger914   I don't have any photos, but have had weltmei...   Feb 3 2009, 07:40 PM
Eric_Shea   Here's a write up on it. I like the sanding d...   Feb 4 2009, 03:53 PM
SirAndy   I've been running the roller bearings (now Fre...   Feb 4 2009, 04:15 PM
r_towle   I've been running the roller bearings (now Fr...   Feb 5 2009, 09:37 PM
degreeoff   does anyone know off the top of their heads what s...   Feb 4 2009, 04:17 PM
andys   Josh, You'll also need a new pivot shaft made...   Feb 4 2009, 05:01 PM
Racer Chris   I believe someone here makes those as well. An...   Feb 4 2009, 06:40 PM
jmill   does anyone know off the top of their heads what ...   Feb 4 2009, 05:18 PM
degreeoff   does anyone know off the top of their heads what...   Feb 4 2009, 05:44 PM
SirAndy   [quote name='jmill' post='1130107' date='Feb 4 20...   Feb 4 2009, 05:54 PM
jmill   I can take measurements. I don't believe it...   Feb 4 2009, 05:55 PM
SirAndy   I can take measurements. I don't believe it...   Feb 4 2009, 05:59 PM
jmill   You guys do realize that you can't use the st...   Feb 4 2009, 06:04 PM
Eric_Shea   Both shafts and arms are in consistent. I've ...   Feb 4 2009, 06:09 PM
degreeoff   BTW..... :hijacked: .....sorry It looks like th...   Feb 4 2009, 09:12 PM
SirAndy   It looks like that is how its done here.....a cou...   Feb 4 2009, 09:21 PM
degreeoff   Did McMark design and market that design?   Feb 4 2009, 09:42 PM
SirAndy   Did McMark design and market that design? Mike M...   Feb 4 2009, 10:06 PM
Eric_Shea   I believe Harvey Shine (sic) first developed the w...   Feb 4 2009, 10:48 PM
Racer Chris   I believe Harvey Shine (sic) first developed the ...   Feb 5 2009, 08:11 AM
Racer Chris   More than 50% of the trailing arm pivot shafts we ...   Feb 5 2009, 09:08 AM
Racer Chris   Our delrin bushings have a light press fit into th...   Feb 5 2009, 09:18 AM
degreeoff   dat dare is preety schwanky my man!   Feb 5 2009, 09:44 AM
jmill   Both shafts and arms are in consistent. I've...   Feb 5 2009, 10:43 AM
andys   Perhaps someone has cut open a pivot shaft, but a ...   Feb 5 2009, 02:32 PM
finstermojo   I purchased some bushings a while back about a yea...   Feb 5 2009, 04:47 PM
Eric_Shea   How much did you pay? Here's the real deter...   Feb 5 2009, 07:47 PM
charliew   I know this started as a rear bushing thread but t...   Feb 5 2009, 09:17 PM
finstermojo   So this is a picture of the bushing i purchased ov...   Feb 9 2009, 04:49 PM
Eric_Shea   Pretty obvious. ;) That's a perfect example ...   Feb 9 2009, 04:53 PM
finstermojo   I just ordered a set of hard bushings from your pl...   Feb 9 2009, 05:51 PM
Eric_Shea   No fronts sorry.   Feb 9 2009, 07:06 PM


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