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> Front BMW brakes locking front wheels all the time, why...please guys can i have your advice?
budman5201
post Nov 13 2008, 09:07 PM
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I recently bought new rear calipers, redid the front BMW brakes up front and installed HAWK race pads up front. The braking has significantly improved! YES! but now i have one dilema......The front brakes lock up EASILY and the rears never at all..........I wish i could make all them lock up in emergency situations or at least more Braking in the rear.


Did i just significantly make the front brakes better by installing new race pads and BMW brakes? Can i adjust anything with the stock rear system to get more pressure to the back so i dont lock up the front VERY EASILY???

thanks guys i appreciate your help.....

Stock 1.7 liter GOING SUBARU 2.5 200 hp N/A soon!! Trying to make everything else PERFECT before i get my third Subaru done.....The braking was lacking on my last conversion......

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post Nov 13 2008, 10:26 PM
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Sorry Mike, the "remove the proportioning valve" thing is really bad advice that could cost someone their life. The rear brakes lock up on a mountain ridge in the rain and his car can go spinning off the edge like a top... real things can go real wrong, real fast.

The valve is a rear caliper saftey shut-off valve, made to disengage the rear calipers in a panic stop. I wish that brake "T" thing would go away.

Yes Budman, you significantly goofed up your brake bias. You now have 40% more pad material upfront "and" you have Hawk race pads up front (but not on the rear?).

Mike had it right in the first part. You'll want to adjust your shut-off valve but, not before you match the pads in the rear.

If you've yet to adjust your venting clearance your rears may not be working at all.

Sorry Budman... I see this as a problem all around. This is why I don't recommend the BMW calipers as an "upgrade".

The best upgrade for your situation would be to get M-Calipers and vented rotors. This will give you the same pad size you upgraded to now but the "MUCH NEEDED" venting to cool the rotor. Your new calipers will add heat to your solid rotors. You may be able to get by with an AJ Racing venting kit.

You won't want to hear it and, I've said it so many times that I'm a broken record but; my advice is to put the stock fronts back on and get the awesome Hawk pads all around. You will have a MUCH better matched and biased brake system and it will still stop like crazy.
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budman5201   Front BMW brakes locking front wheels all the time   Nov 13 2008, 09:07 PM
Mike Gilbert   i would try adjusting the rear brake proportional ...   Nov 13 2008, 10:06 PM
Eric_Shea   Sorry Mike, the "remove the proportioning val...   Nov 13 2008, 10:26 PM
ConeDodger   As much as anyone would hate to admit it :D , I h...   Nov 13 2008, 10:38 PM
markb   :agree: Listen to Eric, he knows what he's tal...   Nov 13 2008, 10:43 PM
jaxdream   Hi , I was wondering if any of you more experience...   Nov 13 2008, 11:12 PM
budman5201   okay so....get hawk pads for the rear, then adjust...   Nov 13 2008, 11:32 PM
budman5201   okay so....get hawk pads for the rear, then adjus...   Nov 13 2008, 11:57 PM
Dr. Roger   blue, black, or orange? okay so....get hawk pa...   Nov 14 2008, 01:06 AM
Brett W   Toss the stock rear calipers and put the stock fro...   Nov 14 2008, 08:22 AM
Cap'n Krusty   Toss the stock rear calipers and put the stock fr...   Nov 14 2008, 09:43 AM
Root_Werks   This is some good reading. I need to go through m...   Nov 14 2008, 09:43 AM
Eric_Shea   Couple things in there I would call dumb... espe...   Nov 14 2008, 10:24 AM
Solo914   Couple things in there I would call dumb... esp...   Nov 14 2008, 10:51 AM
Eric_Shea   I want to clarify this comment. The rear valve ...   Nov 14 2008, 11:02 AM
Eric_Shea   Kyle, Do you have a firm pedal issue? If so I wo...   Nov 14 2008, 11:13 AM
Solo914   Eric, I would say that I have a firmer pedal than...   Nov 14 2008, 11:27 AM
davesprinkle   Kyle, Do you have a firm pedal issue? If so I w...   Nov 14 2008, 11:59 AM
budman5201   OKay guys I will ring back into here next week whe...   Nov 14 2008, 03:18 PM
budman5201   OKay guys I will ring back into here next week wh...   Nov 20 2008, 03:16 PM
horizontally-opposed   Too many variables left out of the mix. The foll...   Nov 14 2008, 11:28 AM
Eric_Shea   Yup... that was me. :clown: I knew someone was g...   Nov 14 2008, 11:36 AM
horizontally-opposed   I used to recommend it but that was before... B...   Nov 14 2008, 11:40 AM
Eric_Shea   I just ordered one from Uncle Chris Foley. I li...   Nov 14 2008, 11:39 AM
Eric_Shea   Go write something... :D   Nov 14 2008, 11:43 AM
Racer Chris   The reason for matching your pads front to rear is...   Nov 21 2008, 12:09 AM
Dave_Darling   Remember, though: Brakes stop the wheels. Tires ...   Nov 21 2008, 12:50 AM
Eric_Shea   Except he has BMW calipers now with about 40% mo...   Nov 21 2008, 10:49 AM
ConeDodger   Except he has BMW calipers now with about 40% m...   Nov 21 2008, 11:19 AM
davesprinkle   ... he has BMW calipers now with about 40% more ...   Nov 22 2008, 01:23 PM
Eric_Shea   I don't know jack but... it sure is fun preten...   Nov 21 2008, 02:18 PM
ConeDodger   I don't know jack but... it sure is fun prete...   Nov 21 2008, 02:26 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I don't know jack but... it sure is fun prete...   Nov 21 2008, 02:34 PM
horizontally-opposed   I don't know jack but... it sure is fun pret...   Nov 21 2008, 04:33 PM
Dave_Darling   Never really thought about this before, but: 1. ...   Nov 24 2008, 09:57 AM
Eric_Shea   TIP: Sisters. (one mother-in-law) Jon Von B. Y...   Nov 21 2008, 02:50 PM
ericread   TIP: Sisters. (one mother-in-law) Jon Von B. ...   Nov 24 2008, 08:47 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Not yet... getting it started though. Just got my ...   Nov 21 2008, 02:59 PM
budman5201   WOO HOO!!! The verdict is in! My ...   Nov 22 2008, 02:19 PM
Eric_Shea   Both but, I'd say the pad area is causing th...   Nov 22 2008, 05:22 PM
budman5201   Both but, I'd say the pad area is causing t...   Nov 24 2008, 01:28 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I'm thinking of doing a Portofield group buy t...   Nov 24 2008, 01:31 AM
Eric_Shea   It would give you a firmer pedal feel. You now ...   Nov 24 2008, 08:40 AM
Eric_Shea   Sorry Dave... #2 and #4 cancel each other out.   Nov 24 2008, 10:48 AM
westgl   Hey Eric, Let me say, I wish I would have read th...   Nov 27 2008, 01:27 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Just because I don't know if Eric is checking ...   Nov 27 2008, 01:41 PM
westgl   This is my setup, My car is street car mainly but...   Nov 27 2008, 06:24 PM
yeahmag   Does "Alan Johnson Porsche" have a site?...   Nov 27 2008, 05:53 PM
Eric_Shea   Aaron, Hope this works: http://www.ajusa.com/bro...   Nov 27 2008, 09:56 PM
r_towle   I am curious why the original poster has not chose...   Nov 27 2008, 11:00 PM
Eric_Shea   If anyone else has this problem try sourcing ear...   Nov 28 2008, 01:25 PM
budman5201   If anyone else has this problem try sourcing ea...   Nov 28 2008, 01:53 PM
Eric_Shea   Yup... looks like the early 911 ones are hard to f...   Nov 28 2008, 11:02 PM
Dr Evil   After conferring with Eric on this, I wanted to po...   Dec 8 2008, 09:14 PM
Eric_Shea   If you don't mind... I'm going to try to f...   Dec 8 2008, 09:23 PM
Eric_Shea   Abso-friggen-lutely. We all use to spout the wi...   Dec 8 2008, 09:33 PM
anderssj   Eric, thanks for posting this--it's importan...   Dec 9 2008, 11:32 AM
Joe Ricard   I never heard of Porterfields identified by colors...   Dec 9 2008, 06:22 AM


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