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> OT: Gas mileage vs. emissions, tree hugger alert
yeahmag
post Nov 17 2008, 12:24 PM
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OK. I admit it... I dig green technology. Well I dig all technology, but I digress...

I'm curious how emissions vs. gas mileage balance out. For example:

My '88 FJ62 gets about 12 MPG on a good day, but has F.I., Catalytic Converters, and all that good stuff. My 914 gets over 2X that, but has no emissions equipment at all. I'm curious at where the tipping point is:

2 stroke scooter vs. compact car
4 stroke scooter vs. compact car
etc...

I'm even considering trying to build a junkyard/STF electric motorcycle. I'm poor, but have plenty of time and creativity!

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post Nov 19 2008, 08:56 AM
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There is a practical part of carbon reduction that needs to be factored. Not every part of the US or the world lends itself to EV's, bikes or scooters. When the temps fall here, you would have to be nuts to think your battery life won't be effected. The cold grease in wheel bearing alone will shorten the cycle and distance, lack of heat (no heater core or electric heating element) will cause your windows to frost. You will become a traffic hazard and likely die.

But I guess you could try to ride a bike like my youngest son. (Mr. Green...) His cold brakes failed and he was involved in a traffic accident and has compromised his ability to play his Bass and put his college music career is in jepardy. All for the sake of carbon credits. Do you think he'd learn about practical limits? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

Scooters?... fogedaboutit! It's like riding in the back of a pick up. There ain't no way to do it and still look cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)



My spin on this is, think green but know your practical limits. Don't be foolish in your pursuit of the green. Don't legislate a blank across the country that can't be complied with or implimented.

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post Nov 19 2008, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Nov 19 2008, 09:56 AM) *

There is a practical part of carbon reduction that needs to be factored. Not every part of the US or the world lends itself to EV's, bikes or scooters. When the temps fall here, you would have to be nuts to think your battery life won't be effected. The cold grease in wheel bearing alone will shorten the cycle and distance, lack of heat (no heater core or electric heating element) will cause your windows to frost. You will become a traffic hazard and likely die.

But I guess you could try to ride a bike like my youngest son. (Mr. Green...) His cold brakes failed and he was involved in a traffic accident and has compromised his ability to play his Bass and put his college music career is in jepardy. All for the sake of carbon credits. Do you think he'd learn about practical limits? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

Scooters?... fogedaboutit! It's like riding in the back of a pick up. There ain't no way to do it and still look cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)



My spin on this is, think green but know your practical limits. Don't be foolish in your pursuit of the green. Don't legislate a blank across the country that can't be complied with or implimented.


If you want to be as green as you can be, sell your cars and scooters and use public transportation and your bicycle.
For that to be affective you need to move to a city.

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yeahmag   OT: Gas mileage vs. emissions   Nov 17 2008, 12:24 PM
orange914   depending on what your vehicle needs are: efficie...   Nov 17 2008, 07:04 PM
scotty   Carbon In = Carbon Out so better fuel economy = le...   Nov 17 2008, 07:36 PM
Vacca Rabite   After driving behind a pack of them (in my wife...   Nov 17 2008, 07:37 PM
Brett W   Get a Honda. They are cheap enough that you can...   Nov 18 2008, 09:25 AM
effutuo101   Green. I get it. But, I am confused. I don't u...   Nov 18 2008, 10:52 AM
r_towle   Green. I get it. But, I am confused. I don't ...   Nov 18 2008, 11:19 AM
yeahmag   Back to the topic... What I'm really intereste...   Nov 18 2008, 12:44 PM
r_towle   Back to the topic... What I'm really interest...   Nov 18 2008, 12:56 PM
Porcharu   Back to the topic... What I'm really interest...   Nov 18 2008, 11:30 PM
yeahmag   Good points... I use to always talk about life c...   Nov 18 2008, 01:00 PM
Dave_Darling   What the moped puts out is dirtier per volume. Bu...   Nov 18 2008, 10:12 PM
scotty   :agree: However, Carbon In still equals Carbon O...   Nov 18 2008, 11:40 PM
FourBlades   Looking at the whole lifecycle, the best green str...   Nov 19 2008, 08:12 AM
orange914   Looking at the whole lifecycle, the best green st...   Nov 20 2008, 01:53 AM
rick 918-S   There is a practical part of carbon reduction that...   Nov 19 2008, 08:56 AM
r_towle   There is a practical part of carbon reduction tha...   Nov 19 2008, 09:32 AM
yeahmag   So, the whole life cycle thing is interesting, but...   Nov 19 2008, 06:47 PM
r_towle   So, the whole life cycle thing is interesting, bu...   Nov 19 2008, 07:38 PM
yeahmag   I'm having lunch today with Caltech's EV C...   Nov 20 2008, 12:53 PM
scotty   Probably bad for the environment, but it gets you ...   Nov 20 2008, 09:30 PM
kwales   If you really want to be green, Put a plastic ba...   Nov 20 2008, 09:42 PM
scotty   :trophy: The Ultimate Solution ...   Nov 20 2008, 10:59 PM


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