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> Question 911 front strut steering knuckle, bump steer
Krieger
post Feb 3 2009, 09:40 PM
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I know there are shops out there that raise the spindle on bilstein struts then heat and bend the steering knuckle down to help with bump steer. I plan on lowering the front suspension about 1.5" by using the adjuster. I have boge struts and want to know if anyone has done just the heating and bending of the steering knuckle, does it work to counteract bump steer, is it hard to do acurately?
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post Feb 5 2009, 08:24 AM
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The important take away I'm getting is the relationship between the tie rod v the a arm.


The important take away I'm getting after looking at what are supposedly correct configurations (1, 3 & 4) is the tie-rod v the steering rack (or the ground). With raised spindles, which the factory did on certain RS's and all RSR's, it would be the tie-rod relationship that is changed.

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If you want bump steer to truly not be a factor it is essential to actually measure it on your setup, instead of making assumptions about what happens. There are dissimilarities between the arc of motion of the a-arm and the tie rod even when they are set parallel at rest.
On my race car, I use a combination of rack spacers and bent steering arms to minimize the effects of bump steer.


So in my situation Chris, I would measure and use the factory 108 +/- number and add 18mm to the acceptable difference (Koni struts with spindles raised 18mm)?

Adding rack spacers wouldn't help with the center of the torsion bar so, would I add the width of the spacers to the acceptable number as well?

How much to bend my spindles on those if need be?
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post Feb 6 2009, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Feb 5 2009, 09:24 AM) *

So in my situation Chris, I would measure and use the factory 108 +/- number and add 18mm to the acceptable difference (Koni struts with spindles raised 18mm)?

Adding rack spacers wouldn't help with the center of the torsion bar so, would I add the width of the spacers to the acceptable number as well?

How much to bend my spindles on those if need be?

My technique is to bend the steering arm equal to the amount the spindle is raised, then use rack spacers to correct for any additional lowering. You could also use heim joint tie rods with spacers of 18mm and rack spacers, or all tie rod spacers.
What I meant by "actually measure it" is to use bump steer measuring tools and move the strut up and down with no torsion bar installed. Bump steer tools use a flat plate bolted to the hub and two dial indicators to show the steering effect as the strut is moved. It is a trial and error process to move the bump steer effect to a part of suspension travel where it has less influence.
You want the bump steer to be minimized close to ride height, especially in compression. In rebound any bump steer will have little effect since the wheel is unloaded.
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Krieger914   Question 911 front strut steering knuckle   Feb 3 2009, 09:40 PM
J P Stein   ERP tie rod extensions are the way I went. Bending...   Feb 3 2009, 10:01 PM
J P Stein   Oops, not my car. Too dirty. :D This is   Feb 3 2009, 10:04 PM
Krieger914   Did you use rack spacers too?   Feb 3 2009, 11:27 PM
brant   I don't think you would need the lowered strut...   Feb 3 2009, 11:31 PM
ArtechnikA   I don't think you would need the lowered stru...   Feb 4 2009, 04:31 AM
charliew   Those extensions put a lot of twist motion on the ...   Feb 4 2009, 12:29 AM
Eric_Shea   Anyone know the pitch on those M10x22's for th...   Feb 4 2009, 10:19 AM
Wes V   Anyone know the pitch on those M10x22's for t...   Feb 4 2009, 10:53 AM
Eric_Shea   Thanks. I'm ordering spacers from McMaster in...   Feb 4 2009, 11:27 AM
SirAndy   I'm thinking it keeps the t-rods parallel to ...   Feb 4 2009, 12:05 PM
ArtechnikA   Am I missing something with this whacky geometric...   Feb 4 2009, 01:01 PM
J P Stein   I have taken the time to measure how much suspensi...   Feb 4 2009, 01:38 PM
zig-n-zag   Its not my thread, but thanks to all for sharing, ...   Feb 4 2009, 01:53 PM
brant   Eric, the above is correct there is only a limit...   Feb 4 2009, 02:21 PM
Eric_Shea   I was wondering about that... well, I'll get 3...   Feb 4 2009, 03:37 PM
Krieger914   Thanks for the feedback. So this is the key? I h...   Feb 4 2009, 08:27 PM
Eric_Shea   I've got a factory manual that shows otherwi...   Feb 4 2009, 10:13 PM
SirAndy   They show the tie-rod in an absolute parallel wit...   Feb 4 2009, 10:19 PM
Eric_Shea   No Sir. Looks to be angled at about a 15 degree...   Feb 4 2009, 10:21 PM
SirAndy   Looks to be angled at about a 15 degree downward ...   Feb 4 2009, 10:26 PM
Eric_Shea   I don't think so... it looks to be a stock 1...   Feb 4 2009, 10:38 PM
SirAndy   Work with me here... This is where i'm going ...   Feb 4 2009, 10:44 PM
SirAndy   Added the Tie Rod extension to the pic for clarifi...   Feb 4 2009, 10:50 PM
Eric_Shea   Hmmmmmmm... that would mean that Fig. 2 is OK be...   Feb 4 2009, 10:54 PM
SirAndy   Hmmmmmmm... that would mean that Fig. 2 is OK bec...   Feb 4 2009, 11:01 PM
Eric_Shea   Reeeeowwwww... :poke: :D   Feb 4 2009, 11:37 PM
Eric_Shea   And no I'm not riding your ass. I was actua...   Feb 4 2009, 11:44 PM
SirAndy   I wasn't riding you :pinkylifters: At lea...   Feb 5 2009, 12:33 AM
Krieger914   Thank you Andy! very nice illustrations. Nic...   Feb 5 2009, 12:26 AM
Racer Chris   ... A arms parallel to the ground maximizes the d...   Feb 5 2009, 08:05 AM
Eric_Shea   The important take away I'm getting after lo...   Feb 5 2009, 08:24 AM
SirAndy   So in my situation Chris, I would measure and use...   Feb 5 2009, 10:11 AM
Racer Chris   So in my situation Chris, I would measure and use...   Feb 6 2009, 10:17 AM
Krieger914   So Andy with your configuration are you having any...   Feb 5 2009, 10:30 AM
SirAndy   So Andy with your configuration are you having an...   Feb 5 2009, 10:55 AM
Eric_Shea   Agreed... that may simply solve all my issues.   Feb 5 2009, 12:21 PM
charliew   Ok the simple explanation is as Chris and Andy...   Feb 5 2009, 12:31 PM
sww914   I like this bump steer kit- http://www.rebelracing...   Feb 5 2009, 06:56 PM
Krieger914   Smart has one that looks much the same for $3...   Feb 5 2009, 07:38 PM
Eric_Shea   Man... I went at a spreadsheet for about an hour l...   Feb 6 2009, 04:21 PM
J P Stein   FWIW....My thinking is you need to approximately s...   Feb 6 2009, 06:35 PM
Krieger914   Today I installed the front crossmember and steeri...   Feb 7 2009, 09:40 PM
craig downs   Another problem moving the rack to far up is your ...   Feb 7 2009, 11:22 PM
Krieger914   I'm buying a thinner aluminum spacer someone o...   Feb 7 2009, 11:37 PM
Eric_Shea   I bought a box of McMaster 4.5mm washers. We...   Feb 8 2009, 11:46 AM


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