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| Krieger |
Feb 3 2009, 09:40 PM
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I know there are shops out there that raise the spindle on bilstein struts then heat and bend the steering knuckle down to help with bump steer. I plan on lowering the front suspension about 1.5" by using the adjuster. I have boge struts and want to know if anyone has done just the heating and bending of the steering knuckle, does it work to counteract bump steer, is it hard to do acurately?
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| J P Stein |
Feb 6 2009, 06:35 PM
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Irrelevant old fart ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
FWIW....My thinking is you need to approximately split the difference in the arc that the A arm & tie rods form during vertical travel and use that as your static height if you wanna go low.
For instance, if you are using 2 inches of suspension travel in your shocks, you would want 1 inch below parallel (to the ground) at the ball joint for static height. This would then give 1 inch above parallel at full compression. Actually, shading that down would be better..maybe as much as a half inch or so...that way you continue to gain negative camber for most of the stroke. IMO, the tie rod should never go above parallel to the ground throughout the stroke....OK, maybe just a bit.... .200/.300". The bump steer you feel in the steering wheel is actually toe change. The tie rod "pushes back" as it (effectively) lengthens during compression....the tire is changing line. If it goes above parallel it shortens (effectively) and pulls. If you are turning into the force, you can handle a push back as you are loaded up against it....a pull goes the same way and that can cause you & the car to get upset....you then pull back against the pull....the effect ceases then you push again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Bump steer isn't much of a problem going in a straight line.....unless you hit a curb or something.....that's a good way to break some fingers. When measuring bump steer, you are actually checking for toe change caused by (in front at least) the tie rod moving thru an arc. Lengthening & shortening. As Chris says, you want to minimize that effect and if you can't, do the least harm. The center of the arc is at the steering rack. When the tie rod is parallel to the horizontal center line of the rack is where/when the tie rod is longest. Andy's drawing..... All this is of lesser importance in a street car. You're not operating out there on the edge like in a race car. Take your street car to the track or AX.....then it matters. That's pretty much true with lowering also. On a race car it's a matter of lowering the CG of the car and you do what you have to do to get there. On a street car it's a matter of looking like a race car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Krieger914 Question 911 front strut steering knuckle Feb 3 2009, 09:40 PM
J P Stein ERP tie rod extensions are the way I went. Bending... Feb 3 2009, 10:01 PM
J P Stein Oops, not my car. Too dirty. :D
This is Feb 3 2009, 10:04 PM
Krieger914 Did you use rack spacers too? Feb 3 2009, 11:27 PM
brant I don't think you would need the lowered strut... Feb 3 2009, 11:31 PM
ArtechnikA
I don't think you would need the lowered stru... Feb 4 2009, 04:31 AM
charliew Those extensions put a lot of twist motion on the ... Feb 4 2009, 12:29 AM
Eric_Shea Anyone know the pitch on those M10x22's for th... Feb 4 2009, 10:19 AM
Wes V
Anyone know the pitch on those M10x22's for t... Feb 4 2009, 10:53 AM
Eric_Shea Thanks.
I'm ordering spacers from McMaster in... Feb 4 2009, 11:27 AM
SirAndy
I'm thinking it keeps the t-rods parallel to ... Feb 4 2009, 12:05 PM
ArtechnikA
Am I missing something with this whacky geometric... Feb 4 2009, 01:01 PM
J P Stein I have taken the time to measure how much suspensi... Feb 4 2009, 01:38 PM
zig-n-zag Its not my thread, but thanks to all for sharing, ... Feb 4 2009, 01:53 PM
brant Eric,
the above is correct
there is only a limit... Feb 4 2009, 02:21 PM
Eric_Shea I was wondering about that... well, I'll get 3... Feb 4 2009, 03:37 PM
Krieger914 Thanks for the feedback.
So this is the key? I h... Feb 4 2009, 08:27 PM
Eric_Shea
I've got a factory manual that shows otherwi... Feb 4 2009, 10:13 PM
SirAndy
They show the tie-rod in an absolute parallel wit... Feb 4 2009, 10:19 PM
Eric_Shea
No Sir. Looks to be angled at about a 15 degree... Feb 4 2009, 10:21 PM
SirAndy
Looks to be angled at about a 15 degree downward ... Feb 4 2009, 10:26 PM
Eric_Shea
I don't think so... it looks to be a stock 1... Feb 4 2009, 10:38 PM
SirAndy
Work with me here...
This is where i'm going ... Feb 4 2009, 10:44 PM
SirAndy Added the Tie Rod extension to the pic for clarifi... Feb 4 2009, 10:50 PM
Eric_Shea
Hmmmmmmm... that would mean that Fig. 2 is OK be... Feb 4 2009, 10:54 PM
SirAndy
Hmmmmmmm... that would mean that Fig. 2 is OK bec... Feb 4 2009, 11:01 PM
Eric_Shea Reeeeowwwww... :poke:
:D Feb 4 2009, 11:37 PM
Eric_Shea
And no I'm not riding your ass. I was actua... Feb 4 2009, 11:44 PM
SirAndy
I wasn't riding you
:pinkylifters:
At lea... Feb 5 2009, 12:33 AM
Krieger914 Thank you Andy! very nice illustrations. Nic... Feb 5 2009, 12:26 AM
Racer Chris
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A arms parallel to the ground maximizes the d... Feb 5 2009, 08:05 AM
Eric_Shea
The important take away I'm getting after lo... Feb 5 2009, 08:24 AM
SirAndy
So in my situation Chris, I would measure and use... Feb 5 2009, 10:11 AM
Racer Chris
So in my situation Chris, I would measure and use... Feb 6 2009, 10:17 AM
Krieger914 So Andy with your configuration are you having any... Feb 5 2009, 10:30 AM
SirAndy
So Andy with your configuration are you having an... Feb 5 2009, 10:55 AM
Eric_Shea
Agreed... that may simply solve all my issues. Feb 5 2009, 12:21 PM
charliew Ok the simple explanation is as Chris and Andy... Feb 5 2009, 12:31 PM
sww914 I like this bump steer kit- http://www.rebelracing... Feb 5 2009, 06:56 PM
Krieger914 Smart has one that looks much the same for $3... Feb 5 2009, 07:38 PM
Eric_Shea Man... I went at a spreadsheet for about an hour l... Feb 6 2009, 04:21 PM
Krieger914 Today I installed the front crossmember and steeri... Feb 7 2009, 09:40 PM
craig downs Another problem moving the rack to far up is your ... Feb 7 2009, 11:22 PM
Krieger914 I'm buying a thinner aluminum spacer someone o... Feb 7 2009, 11:37 PM
Eric_Shea I bought a box of McMaster 4.5mm washers. We... Feb 8 2009, 11:46 AM![]() ![]() |
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