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| drive-ability |
Jan 30 2009, 07:57 PM
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I'm now working on a power steering system for my V8 car. I'm using a Golf P/S unit and a Toyota MR2 electric pump. There will be some pictures soon, I'm building the bracket to mount the power rack to the 914 cross member.
I'll doc the build up in this thread.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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Feb 21 2009, 06:12 PM
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I have set up one tie-rod, the rack is 48" to the end of the inner tie rod. That's about
8" longer than the old rack. As it sits at riding height the rod has a small rise as it leads out to the spindle. Looks like a 1/4 inch. Like most of us the term bump steer is a bit fuzzy to me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) (IMG:http://members.cox.net/altjamy/Power%20steering%20tie%20rods.jpg) |
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Feb 23 2009, 01:14 AM
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shoehorn and some butter - it fits ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 23-January 06 From: Broomfield, CO Member No.: 5,463 Region Association: None |
I have set up one tie-rod, the rack is 48" to the end of the inner tie rod. That's about 8" longer than the old rack. As it sits at riding height the rod has a small rise as it leads out to the spindle. Looks like a 1/4 inch. Like most of us the term bump steer is a bit fuzzy to me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) Bump steer is basically what it sounds like, when you hit a bump, the car wants to steer itself off center. So, if you had perfect, zero bump steer, you could set the tire straight and move the tire up and down thru full travel and it would never turn and remain perfectly straight. This happens when you have perfect rack length to A-arm spacing, etc (a lot to explain but it is easy to google and read up on). In short, because the rack is so much longer (taking 4 inches out of 930 tie rods is a LOT) you have pivot points for the tie rods that are way wider than the suspension geometry would need, so you are going to have a LOT of bump steer unfortunately. That means as you are rolling down the road and you hit a dip, etc that causes the suspension to compress and rebound, you can hold the wheel perfectly straight and the car will toe in and/or toe out like crazy. If they both compress perfectly the same amount you won't notice anything more than aggressive tire wear, but the typical case is one side moves more than the other, and in a straight line holding the wheel perfectly centered, the car will steer itself in the direction of the largest tire displacement. I am not sure even aggressive rack relocation could fix that much difference in overall length with a strut suspension. What you might find is a spot that has such an aggressive tie rod angle you would have small bump over a small range of motion (1" each direction maybe) but then it would start getting aggressive. You really should check out some website searches and make up some simple tools, buy a dial gauge (or two depending on tool design) and check it. Honestly. That car could be scary if you hit a dip on one side on the freeway and it steers in 1/2" on one side. |
drive-ability Power steering build Jan 30 2009, 07:57 PM
Wilhelm Great, I'll be following this. I assume the g... Jan 31 2009, 02:14 AM
drive-ability The project is moving along, I've got the rack... Feb 4 2009, 11:56 AM
Wilhelm Thought you had a hydraulic clutch. Does the mast... Feb 4 2009, 02:39 PM
drive-ability
Thought you had a hydraulic clutch. Does the mas... Feb 4 2009, 02:54 PM
biosurfer1 and how nice is it to be able to work on your car ... Feb 4 2009, 03:08 PM
drive-ability
and how nice is it to be able to work on your car... Feb 4 2009, 03:52 PM
biosurfer1 I say pay an inmate $100 to file lawsuit afte... Feb 4 2009, 04:20 PM
southernmost914 How loud is that pump? :D
Steve Feb 4 2009, 05:08 PM
drive-ability
How loud is that pump? :D
Steve
LOL,,,
... Feb 4 2009, 06:46 PM
drive-ability Here is a shot of the rack installed, I have made ... Feb 15 2009, 12:10 AM
McMark Cool! B)
What' with the photo retouching... Feb 15 2009, 01:32 AM
Wilhelm Pretty darn cool! Feb 15 2009, 01:44 AM
So.Cal.914 Slipped right freaking in there too. Doesn't l... Feb 15 2009, 09:41 AM
drive-ability The gas tank fits without issue. I made a steerin... Feb 15 2009, 10:40 AM
Wilhelm Where are you going to hide the MR2 pump? What yea... Feb 15 2009, 03:54 PM
So.Cal.914
Where are you going to hide the MR2 pump? What ye... Feb 16 2009, 11:20 AM
drive-ability Posted Feb 16 2009, 09:20 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Fe... Feb 16 2009, 01:44 PM
So.Cal.914
Posted Feb 16 2009, 09:20 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ F... Feb 16 2009, 06:56 PM
drive-ability So now you can see how the units fit, its a mess, ... Feb 19 2009, 02:26 PM
turboman808 Let me know when you make a power brake system. I... Feb 19 2009, 02:41 PM
byndbad914 Do you intend to measure the bump steer? That wil... Feb 19 2009, 04:31 PM
drive-ability
Do you intend to measure the bump steer? That wi... Feb 19 2009, 09:48 PM
byndbad914
hey, I am waiting for you to science this puppy ... Feb 20 2009, 01:55 AM
drive-ability Here is one tie-rod,
The end is 930, seems the th... Feb 21 2009, 11:03 PM
andys drive-ability,
+1 to what byndbad914 said.
Yup, ... Feb 23 2009, 11:33 AM
drive-ability
drive-ability,
+1 to what byndbad914 said.
Yup,... Feb 23 2009, 12:35 PM
Wilhelm So the Jetta rack is 8" longer than the 914? ... Feb 23 2009, 12:29 PM
byndbad914 ahh, misunderstood. What is the length of the new... Feb 23 2009, 12:39 PM
drive-ability
ahh, misunderstood. What is the length of the ne... Feb 23 2009, 12:56 PM
charliew Someone will have to say but is the 914 perfect on... Feb 23 2009, 10:51 PM
byndbad914 1" longer is still a pretty good amount, whic... Feb 24 2009, 10:09 PM
drive-ability
1" longer is still a pretty good amount, whi... Feb 24 2009, 11:25 PM
byndbad914
I normally learn as I go and it seems nothing h... Feb 25 2009, 01:06 AM
charliew Something a little easier might be to go to home d... Feb 26 2009, 10:22 PM
drive-ability I did get things going, first test drive was nice.... Feb 28 2009, 03:47 PM
Wilhelm Doncha love when a plan comes together? :thumbsup... Feb 28 2009, 05:34 PM
drive-ability
Doncha love when a plan comes together? :thumbsu... Feb 28 2009, 06:11 PM
ssstikircr :popcorn: Feb 28 2009, 06:36 PM
drive-ability I had time to drive it around quite a bit more an... Feb 28 2009, 10:23 PM
Wilhelm :bump: Just wanted to see what the long term live... Mar 20 2009, 10:42 AM
drive-ability
:bump: Just wanted to see what the long term liv... Mar 20 2009, 10:42 PM
Wes V
I haven't had the car aliened yet, so it can... Mar 21 2009, 06:51 PM
drive-ability
I haven't had the car aliened yet, so it ca... Mar 21 2009, 10:43 PM![]() ![]() |
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