suby hotrod motors, Probably cost equal to a really good porsche 6 Options

[charliew]

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1699103

These motors are probably 15-20k once they reach the track. Just a offhand guess. As my son has spent 13k on a street motor with no tranny mods. Just motor, ported heads, bigger cams, 100mm bore, open source tuning with datalogging and utec piggyback, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump, bigger oil pump, front mount ic, 8qt oil pan, true cold air intake and a 30r rotated turbo at 26 psi. Conservative tune about 425awhp. Also no water or alcohol injection yet.

[charliew]

Only thing I found on a nasioc search on treefrogaz was a few classified sales threads or comments.

This could go on forever it seems, this is just one I just went to nasioc and picked out. Spend some time on nasioc and you will find reliability is not cheap when you go over 400 awdhp. http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/coswort...07-p-53594.html

http://www.cosworthusa.com/ 16,375.00 not counting intake or exhaust or computer controls, water injection, fuel delivery front mount ic, clutch and flywheel, better oil system, etc.

http://www.slowboyracing.com I thought they made complete motors but maybe not.

http://www.Goodspeedperformance.com

Cosworth is just one of several engine builders but they have a well respected history and won't sell cheap stuff or cheap promises.

Part of the 35% power loss at the wheels is the tire patch of 4 9 inch wide tires. That also gives much better traction in the imprezza. That will never be there in the 914

The sti is 300hp at the crank. It's about 260 awdhp stock.

Last one cossie motor suby everything listed it's a long thread skip to the bottom, it's a evolution of his cars: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1545763

[DBCooper]

Only thing I found on a nasioc search on treefrogaz was a few classified sales threads or comments.

A "few"? Ten pages worth, and that's posts only. And if you've read more than a few of them I suppose you saw that he tunes Subaru's for a living? Visited the Snailperformance website? The only point is that he's for real, is not just some NASIOC kid trying to talk big because he has a Subaru in the garage.

It's interesting to see different Subaru builds, but your original post was about how hot rod Subaru builds could be as expensive as Porsche. I just don't see that. You know Subaru's, so I think you need to get more familiar with the Porsche side of the equation. For example on the first page of this thread Brett, a thoroughly credible guy in my book, mentioned $30,000 for a 250hp Porsche flat six. That seems like it might be a tad high, but for comparison, how much did you say it cost your son to get 400 wheel (not brake) horsepower?

My point is that once you look into it I think you'll be staggered by what it costs to get similar (not even the same) horsepower from an aircooled six. I love the look and sound of a six, but at Porsche prices I've learned to love the look and sound of the Subaru even more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)