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> Help! I'm Stymied!, Only firing on #3 and # 4
DipShit
post Jun 12 2009, 10:19 AM
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1.7 D-Jet

Engine was running just great until about two weeks ago, sigh. Now only fires on # 3 and # 4.

I have cleaned every connection including all grounds. And I mean cleaned them good! The elecrical appears to be just fine. I get a good noid light at both # 1 and # 2. The injectors have tested just fine as well (I'm getting about 7cc in 15 seconds). I have 40lbs of pressure the 1,2 rail. The spark plugs are getting juice and fire.

I have installed new points, cleaned the triggers (which shouldn't have mattered because of the sequence) and set the dwell. I'm a tad under at 44 degrees, but again shouldn't keep # 1 and # 2 from firing.

The timing has to be close as it runs really smooth for just two cylinders.

If I pull the power to injector 3 or 4, I get a real good drop and she will die. If I pull 1 or 2 - no change.

If I add propane to the intake, I get a good response in higher rpm.

I had originally traced to the Temp II sensor and it failed, so I replaced it. A new one seemed to be the fix, but only for a moment.

I have good fuel, spark and air -

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I'm STYMIED (or just a REAL DIPSHIT)

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post Jun 12 2009, 05:22 PM
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Looking at the circuit diagram, everything we are talking about (except the distributor and spark wires) seems to connect through the wiring harness to the brain box.

From my computer days, connectors sometimes go intermittent as they (or the components) get warm....

Which brings up the questions, how are the connectors????

Have you checked the big assed connector that hooks up to the brain box? Do all the connections look like the others??? Any spread??

Hows about the connectors on the injectors???? Any look spread or different? You can usually pop the female connectors from the housing blocks with a tool such as the wire from a small paper clip.

Tried checking the injectors for performance when warm? From my solenoid design days, I learned that solenoids (aka injectors) warm up and the efficiency drops a lot. Which means that if a solenoid is marginal, it may have enough force to work when cold, but not enough to work when hot.

The other wierd problem thing that I have encountered is broken insulation on wires in the wiring harness. My daughters 1986 Volvo had the idiot tree hugger curse of biodegradable wiring..... Can you say a wiring harness filled with biodegraded insulation masquerading as non insulating insulation confetti pieces. The corroded bare wires randomly shorted together when the confetti shifted.....
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DipShit   Help! I'm Stymied!   Jun 12 2009, 10:19 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   Valves too tight???? 1.7 D-Jet Engine was run...   Jun 12 2009, 10:42 AM
DipShit   I figured I'd try to get the valves adjusted n...   Jun 12 2009, 10:51 AM
tod914   29.4 for fuel pressure.   Jun 12 2009, 11:06 AM
DipShit   29.4 for fuel pressure. Typo - it was 30 not 4...   Jun 12 2009, 11:11 AM
thompson-mfr   Slight Hijack: I am having almost exactly the sam...   Jun 12 2009, 11:33 AM
DipShit   don't think it's the ECU as I have replace...   Jun 12 2009, 11:46 AM
thompson-mfr   don't think it's the ECU as I have replac...   Jun 12 2009, 11:51 AM
jt914-6   Try cleaning the trigger points again. Remove them...   Jun 12 2009, 11:54 AM
thompson-mfr   Try cleaning the trigger points again. Remove the...   Jun 12 2009, 12:11 PM
mike_the_man   Are the plugs fouled? If it's getting the rig...   Jun 12 2009, 11:55 AM
Dr Evil   The injectors fire in batches of 2 ( 1&4, 2...   Jun 12 2009, 12:09 PM
DipShit   The injectors fire in batches of 2 ( 1&4, 2...   Jun 12 2009, 12:15 PM
Dr Evil   The injectors fire in batches of 2 ( 1&4, 2...   Jun 12 2009, 12:17 PM
DipShit   Plugs look really good. And the trigger points ha...   Jun 12 2009, 12:10 PM
jt914-6   When I had a FI four we would use regular paper. Y...   Jun 12 2009, 12:15 PM
DipShit   When I had a FI four we would use regular paper. ...   Jun 12 2009, 12:17 PM
thompson-mfr   When I had a FI four we would use regular paper. ...   Jun 12 2009, 03:25 PM
Dr Evil   Ya, valves, rings, and head studs are in the equat...   Jun 12 2009, 12:16 PM
DipShit   Compression test and valves are next on my to do l...   Jun 12 2009, 12:22 PM
Dr Evil   I would suspect the valves if they shared a common...   Jun 12 2009, 02:05 PM
roadster fan   I had originally traced to the Temp II sensor and...   Jun 12 2009, 04:12 PM
DipShit   I do have another Temp II sensor as I bought two. ...   Jun 12 2009, 04:26 PM
r_towle   You are wasting your time if you have not set the ...   Jun 12 2009, 05:01 PM
kwales   Looking at the circuit diagram, everything we are ...   Jun 12 2009, 05:22 PM
tod914   On a previous car, I went nuts trying to sort out ...   Jun 12 2009, 06:06 PM
DipShit   Here is the latest that I have done and I am STILL...   Jun 26 2009, 09:24 AM
Vacca Rabite   Here is the latest that I have done and I am STIL...   Jun 26 2009, 10:35 AM
DipShit   Here is the latest that I have done and I am STI...   Jun 26 2009, 11:13 AM
Vacca Rabite   Check compression with the engine warm (if possibl...   Jun 26 2009, 11:37 AM
DipShit   Check compression with the engine warm (if possib...   Jun 26 2009, 12:02 PM
Vacca Rabite   Your dead cylinders have higher compression then y...   Jun 26 2009, 12:54 PM
DipShit   I agree, but to make it worse, sometimes when I ge...   Jun 26 2009, 02:15 PM
Tom   for 1+2 not to run, it almost sounds like you are ...   Jun 26 2009, 02:24 PM
DipShit   Fuel lines are hooked up correctly. The car was r...   Jun 26 2009, 03:30 PM
DipShit   Sure haven't found anything obvious or simple ...   Jul 1 2009, 03:19 PM
Vacca Rabite   Could you take pictures of your spark plugs and po...   Jul 1 2009, 03:43 PM
Gint   Hey Mark, pull the trigger points connector from ...   Jul 1 2009, 07:26 PM
r_towle   Ohm out the wiring harness from the ECU to the FI ...   Jul 1 2009, 07:48 PM
ghuff   Ohm out the wiring harness from the ECU to the FI...   Jul 1 2009, 09:20 PM
DipShit   Hadn't touched her in several days until this ...   Jul 2 2009, 03:01 PM
DipShit   After everything I have done, I went back to the s...   Jul 17 2009, 03:20 PM
DipShit   Actually I think it was Capn' Krusty that made...   Jul 17 2009, 03:23 PM
Kirmizi   Way To Go Mark! Just in time for all the tou...   Jul 17 2009, 03:29 PM
DipShit   Way To Go Mark! Just in time for all the to...   Jul 20 2009, 11:01 AM


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