F-You Colorado! more emission headaches, I may loose my registration |
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F-You Colorado! more emission headaches, I may loose my registration |
newto914s |
Jun 29 2009, 02:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 561 Joined: 16-February 04 From: Thornton, CO Member No.: 1,663 |
With the help of some of the great Colorado 914 guys(notably Mike and Chris W) i got my car to pass the e-check. Read about it here.
I thought everything was fine and dandy. With my 5 year collector plates on it I never have to worry about emissions again(bring on the SBC). But in Colorado they have these white child molester looking vans that sit on the highway entrance ramps. They use a laser to measure the emission of all the car entering. I drove by one and got a letter in the mail. Now I have to bring my car to a state inspector for another evaluation or my registration will be revoked and a $100 fine imposed. Their's no way I'm going to pass now, with no Cat an no smog pump. The irony is my car runs better than it ever has. F-U CO |
Scott S |
Jul 1 2009, 05:22 PM
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Small Member Group: Members Posts: 1,697 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 633 |
I just called - the year does not matter.
First of all, this is a state program, with state employees (no subcontractors). The inspection guys that will be looking at your car are master techs. The guy I spoke to was a Lotus and flat head V8 specialist. The guy who does the air cooled stuff has supposably been a PCA guy "forever" - he even asked me if this conversation came up while we were at the Parade. The limits set are passable by any correctly running car - at any RPM - from any era as far back as you can go. What they are doing is trying to keep us from doing what alot of us do - get the classic plate and then modify the motor into what they deem a gross polluter. If anyone falls outside of these limits, they must go get an inspection. If anything has been modified from stock - including the removal of airpumps and cats, we could be screwed. I asked him how he was sure that these inspectors know what they are looking at. He said they "we are not the minimum wage employees that work for the usual emissions testing stations". I did forget to ask about unobtainable/obsolete parts (like the airpumps). He was nice enough - but it was like talking to a cop. Gints philosophy is what I will be adopting - turn around and go the other way. I am running a euro rear plate with my real one in the rear window. I may just pull it down if I ever get trapped. I did ask him when they were going to start putting these testing stations at the entrances of car shows, that way they could both kill the hobby and make a pile of money all at once. He didn't find it funny. One last thing, these machines are taking readings in a way that if you have a lawn mower or a gas can in the bed of a truck, or if your missing your gas cap (or even have a poorly sealing one) you will most likely get that letter. He said he has seen that on several occasions - but you will still need to get the inspection. |
Gint |
Jul 4 2009, 01:49 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,083 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I knew this didn't sound right so I dug out some old emission testing reports.
The limits set are passable by any correctly running car - at any RPM - from any era as far back as you can go. The guy you talked to Scott is obviously blowin smoke at least on this point because it simply isn't true.From the letter Samson received: QUOTE Pursuant to 5 CCR 1001-13, Part G, Section IV.A, a vehicle’s emissions as measured by roadside testing units shall not exceed 3.0% carbon monoxide or 550 parts per million (ppm) hydrocarbons as hexane (1,075 ppm hydrocarbons as propane). The test limits printed on the inspection sheet from my 1970 914/6 are: CO% Limit 5.50 - Tested 3.55 at idle 8.66 at 2500 - This limit that my car passed is already above the spec in the letter, and not even performed on a dyno. It would no doubt fail the roadside test. HC PPM Limit 1000 - Tested 397 at idle 535 at 2500 - The test measurement that the car ran and passed at testing is almost as high as the roadside letter limit indicated. And it was run at a standstill, not a dyno or on the road under load. I have similar specs for my 72 Chevy truck and the 67 truck. The pass/fail limits for 67 or much higher than the 70 or 72 model year limits. I can't seem to find the report for my 74 914/4. But it passed testing as well... with carbs installed. But it would undoubtedly fail the roadside sniffer at the limits listed in Samson's letter. Not by much perhaps, but it would probably fail. So I amend my previous statement in an earlier post. But I remember going by the tuck at least once and I didn't get a letter. Maybe there is a tolerance or something built in. |
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