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> Mocal vs Tilton oils cooler pumps, One better than the other?
pcar916
post Jul 6 2009, 08:21 AM
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I'm adding a cooler and pump to my transmission. These two pumps are similar in specification and both companies have been around a long time.

Tilton: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TIL-40-524/

Mocal: http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product...ial_Cooler_Pump

I know several of you run Jabsco Water Puppy pumps, but I see no advantage to it over the Mocal or Tilton.

Anyone out there with experience as to whether one is more reliable than the other?
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post Jul 9 2009, 09:44 AM
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Where is the cooler itself usually mounted?

Did I read correctly that one could use the fill and drain plugs tapped for cooler lines for in and out?

This sounds like a step in the right direction, as i could install everything, and then install the internal spray bar later when I have the tranny out.

Cooling the oil without actually spraying it directly onto the gears still sounds like it would make a difference.
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post Jul 9 2009, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(puff adder @ Jul 9 2009, 11:44 AM) *

Where is the cooler itself usually mounted?
Cooling the oil without actually spraying it directly onto the gears still sounds like it would make a difference.

The very early racing 915's (a la 3,0 RSR) used an oil pump in the tailcone and a cooler in the left side rear fender scoop. I seem to recall the 2,8 RSR's (which did not have vented fenders) using a cooler in the left front fender, like the trombone coolers fitted on the right side for engine oil.

Then the later 915's (915/67) used in the Euro 3,2 Carreras have a gear-type oil pump (like a VW T-I) in the side cover to route oil through a finned serpentine tube mounted in the airstream alongside the transmission. It's relatively light weight and efficient and works "well enough" to keep temps under control. AFAIK the G50 cars don't have or need this.

I have a 915/67 I'll be using in my RSR clone/homage 911.

Things to remember tho - in the 911, the transmission is well forward of the engine and the exhaust, so even though the airflow isn;t optimal, it is at least relatively cool. And unfortunately, there isn't room in the case for the pump _and_ a flipped R&P for midengine use. You could think about using this approach for an inverted box, but then you have to deal with plumbing the inlet to the pump, which is no longer in a convenient place at the bottom of the oil pool.
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pcar916   Mocal vs Tilton oils cooler pumps   Jul 6 2009, 08:21 AM
ArtechnikA   I'm adding a cooler and pump to my transmissi...   Jul 6 2009, 09:00 AM
pcar916   I haven't tested the transaxle fluid temps in...   Jul 6 2009, 09:11 AM
ArtechnikA   265°F degree transmission fluid scares me no mat...   Jul 6 2009, 09:17 AM
pcar916   265°F degree transmission fluid scares me no ma...   Jul 6 2009, 10:07 AM
puff adder   I've read about cooling systems with spray bar...   Jul 6 2009, 06:47 PM
ArtechnikA   I've read about cooling systems with spray ba...   Jul 6 2009, 07:25 PM
puff adder   Thanks for the info. I guess I'm more intere...   Jul 6 2009, 08:39 PM
pcar916   You could do it if you ignored squirters on the ge...   Jul 6 2009, 09:21 PM
stownsen914   If you decide to install squirters, don't mak...   Jul 7 2009, 08:00 AM
pcar916   If you decide to install squirters, don't ma...   Jul 7 2009, 09:09 AM
stownsen914   [quote name='stownsen914' post='1189240' date='Ju...   Jul 8 2009, 05:30 AM
john rogers   I would recommend calling several shops that RACE ...   Jul 7 2009, 12:15 AM
Downunderman   If you are running a 6 a sportomatic pump off the ...   Jul 7 2009, 12:48 AM
pcar916   Downunderman... - I have a power take-off on the ...   Jul 7 2009, 09:38 AM
john rogers   If you hook up the plumbing system you might be su...   Jul 7 2009, 10:26 AM
pcar916   If you hook up the plumbing system you might be s...   Jul 7 2009, 11:03 AM
john rogers   I guess I am getting old as I forgot to mention to...   Jul 7 2009, 11:34 AM
pcar916   I guess I am getting old as I forgot to mention t...   Jul 7 2009, 03:44 PM
jt914-6   I've got a brass 1/2" female one way valv...   Jul 7 2009, 05:14 PM
pcar916   I've got a brass 1/2" female one way val...   Jul 7 2009, 05:48 PM
Downunderman   I have been using the sporto pump for a couple of ...   Jul 7 2009, 05:28 PM
pcar916   I have been using the sporto pump for a couple of...   Jul 7 2009, 06:21 PM
pcar916   Spraying on the individual gears is good, just not...   Jul 8 2009, 07:38 AM
stownsen914   Spraying on the individual gears is good, just no...   Jul 9 2009, 05:12 AM
Downunderman   Ron, You should be able to find a sporto pump lay...   Jul 8 2009, 09:03 PM
john rogers   Remember, if the lube and cooler pump is engine dr...   Jul 8 2009, 11:14 PM
puff adder   Where is the cooler itself usually mounted? Did ...   Jul 9 2009, 09:44 AM
ArtechnikA   Where is the cooler itself usually mounted? Cooli...   Jul 9 2009, 11:07 AM
pcar916   Excellent discussion and why I like this forum. I...   Jul 9 2009, 11:12 AM
Downunderman   Here are some photos for posterity. Before it had...   Jul 10 2009, 03:21 PM
pcar916   You realize your car is far too clean right? Nice ...   Jul 11 2009, 08:02 AM
maf914   I remember reading in 24:16: Le Mans 24 Hours that...   Jul 15 2009, 03:17 PM
john rogers   Here are a couple of picts of the setup I had and ...   Jul 15 2009, 03:31 PM
pcar916   Simple... fan underneath or scoop only?   Jul 15 2009, 10:21 PM
john rogers   An axial boat ventilation fan was added after thes...   Jul 16 2009, 12:55 AM
pcar916   An axial boat ventilation fan was added after the...   Jul 16 2009, 07:54 PM


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